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As a scientist with college degree in Astronomy, minor in Physics and Mathematics, I was appalled to find folks telling outright falsities and presenting bad science to bolster suspicion of our known accepted reality - that the Earth is a beautiful blue globe.

This blog clearly shows scientific proofs that debunk everything that flat Earth proponents claim.  Here we also expose the comments those YouTube video channels delete, because they don't want you to see them.

The Earth is not flat.  That claim is a conspiracy theory perpetrated by ignorant people who have ulterior personal motives and agendas.

The Earth is a beautiful blue spheroid globe spinning on an axis 23.5° once each day, and orbiting the Sun every 365.25 days.

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Flat Earth NOT - How Christian biblical literalism is driving today's flat Earth movement 2018


Dear Readers,    

Note: We here at FlatEarthLunacy do not care or interfere with anyone's religious belief. Believe what you want as that is your choice.  But PLEASE PLEASE keep those beliefs in the Church.  


Make no mistake.

The main people pushing the current revival in flat Earth advocacy are American based Christian biblical literalists (24% of the total Christian population).

They will do anything to prove that the Bible Old Testament is true and should be accepted as written.

All of their supposed research is scientifically incorrectly.  They will do anything (lie and make up false laws of nature to explain how the universe functions) to prove the Bible correct.

Get the real facts based upon our 6-years of interaction with these folks.

Who are flat Earth supporters?  = 25% normal people (they never took a science class) and 75% Christian biblical literalists.

Here is where they live:

United States = ................................53%
United Kingdom = ............................16% 
Canada = ...........................................5%
Australia = ..........................................4% 
all the other 191 countries combined = 22%  

The United States has the highest percentage (by population) of flat Earth supporters in the world.

Unlike the scientific method:

They start first with their declaration of faith:

1.  The Bible is the holy word of God so therefore is Truth incarnate.

2.  The Bible teaches that the Earth is flat and motionless.

3.  So the job as supporters of this belief system is to show that science is incorrect, and do whatever is necessary to cast doubt on its efficacy.  They will do whatever to prove that the Bible is right.

Flat Earth conspiracy believers are very fond of trying to shift the burden of proof onto those who accept scientific consensus that the Earth is a spheroid planet, that rotates on an axis once per day, and is in orbit around Sun.

That is just a debating trick.

The burden of proof still lies squarely on the shoulders of the flat Earth conspiracy believer.

Another common tacking is moving the goal posts.   

That occurs when a scientific fact is presented with evidence to disprove a flat Earth conspirators claim, then rather than admitting the science is correct (which they never do), they just turn the conversation and start down a different path pointing out other things they believe invalidate the heliocentric mode.

Or when cornered and they know they are wrong, they will just abandon the conversation and never return back to it.  Often that video comment conversation is then deleted. 



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It's only when those folks choose to purposely misrepresent science as they do on YouTube, that we step in to point out their errors and expose their disregard for evidence and reality. 

Christian redemption is offered at the low price of giving up your critical faculties - clear thought and intelligence.

Christianity causes suffering on a broad scale, by stymieing science.  Christianity hates science because science keeps proving it wrong.  Christianity opposes science as often as politically feasible.  The statement "God did it" is a belief, that has not and/or cannot be objectively proven. 

Their accusation, science is ...


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All of the current top celebrity flat Earth movement leaders salute the Bible and take their cut for the Old Testament literal interpretation.

The closed caption voice of Patricia Steere...


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Some of the major flat Earth channels are getting about $1,500 each month in donations from supporters.  There is an attempt to do videos full time with a livable salary.  

25%  are:
stupid and ignorant people
people in it only for the money
people with no science training making up all kinds of crazy theories. 
people inventing new laws of nature and forces that don’t really exist.

Truthers – those that believe the government and public education is meant to keep people as if slaves.  They profess to be the only ones that know the truth.
They distrust almost everything.

Matrix theory
Truman Show theory
etc. 

We noticed that these folks were part of a cultural phenomenon of discontentment with life.  They want to blame government, big business and big money, anyone but themselves,

The folks who put on the Flat Earth International Conference in North Carolina, are all motivated by Christian evangelism.  For them, it's all about God verses science.

In their own words (white closed caption)

Ms. Patricia Steere... 


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Several weeks ago Nathan Roberts (aka YourCurvelessEarth channel) went into Target and started tearing up childrens science books...


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Karen B (Karen B Endecott),

Talks to Big Foot... 


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Matt Long...



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There is no conflict between the ideal of religion and the ideal of science, but science is opposed to theological dogmas because science is founded on fact.

Science investigates the natural world, while religion deals with the spiritual and supernatural. 

Religion and science cover completely different spheres of human existence. Science explores the ways in which natural things interact with each other and us, while religion explores the way the supernatural interacts with each other and us.

Science seems to be disproving religious facts every day, therefore science and religion should be separate.

science 1.a. The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena. b. Such activities restricted to a class of natural phenomena.

religion 1.a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe. b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.

"Religious fundamentalism represents humanity's most ongoing and intractable problem." 

For them the information presented by scientists (cosmology) is an inconvenient truth.

What would you say if someone walked into your place of employment, admitted he had no technical training in your work, but told you that you were doing it all wrong (probably while demonstrating amply his lack of expertise)? Wouldn't you describe such a person as arrogant? Who is really the self-appointed expert here, the person with a lot of training or the person with none who still thinks he is qualified to criticize?

No single issue illustrates the intellectual shoddiness of many religious believers than their misuse of the term "theory," as in "evolution is only a theory."

A theory is any coherent body of ideas used to explain something.

The theory can be false, like the phlogiston theory once used to explain combustion. The theory can be debatable, like string theory in cosmology. Or the theory can be true beyond any reasonable doubt, like Number Theory in mathematics, stress theory in engineering, or the atomic theory in chemistry. Some theories, like music theory, are more matters of accepted convention than truth or falsity.

Perhaps 20 percent of American Christians regard the Bible as literal and inerrant, and so are unwilling to accept the facts revealed by science that contradict Scripture. As far as fundamentalists are concerned, they know the truth and science is simply wrong. They think scientists are all a bunch of frauds.

However, most Christians can judge, just from looking at the world around them with all its technological marvels, that science cannot be so simply dismissed. Science is the most successful and powerful activity humans have ever undertaken.

Now, clearly scientific cosmology bears no resemblance to the cosmology described in Genesis, where Earth, the sun, and the stars were divinely created about 6,000 years ago. In fact, Earth and the solar system were formed 4.5 billion years ago, some 9 billion years after the big bang.

If Christians are to accept science, they have to admit that the Bible is not a reliable source of information about the natural world. And why should we believe it is a reliable source of information about anything? The creation story in Genesis is a myth. And, it is not the only story in the Bible that science can now prove is largely fiction.

Intellectual Christians today are gradually disassociating themselves from the God of the Old Testament, who is certainly an unpleasant character.

If your mind and upbringing made you believe it, is it true just because of that?

For over a millennium Christianity arrested the development of science and scientific thinking. In Christendom, from the time of Augustine until the Renaissance, systematic investigation of the natural world was restricted to theological investigation.  There was no direct observation and interpretation of natural processes, because that was considered a useless pursuit, as all knowledge resided in scripture.

So for over 1000 years from the rise of orthodox Christianity in the fourth century to the 1500s, and the populace was mired in the deepest squalor and ignorance.

When scientific investigation into the natural world resumed in the Renaissance—after a 1000-year-plus hiatus—organized Christianity did everything it could to stamp it out. The cases of Copernicus and Galileo are particularly relevant here, because when the Catholic Church banned the Copernican theory (that the Earth revolves around the sun) and banned Galileo from teaching it, it did not consider the evidence for that theory: it was enough that it contradicted scripture, so it had to be false.

Today, however, the conflict between religion and science is largely being played out in the area of public school biology education, with Christian fundamentalists demanding that their creation myth be taught in place of (or along with) the theory of evolution in the public schools.

And over the past 10-years with the proliferation of social media, where anyone can make any claim (without providing real world evidence) they have latched onto the flat Earth craze.  

Nearly 500 years ago Martin Luther, in his Table Talk, stated: "Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has."


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Ever since the birth of Christianity it has been at odds with science.  

Theologians don't care much about the tensile strength of steel when they have church buildings built. Scientists are generally not particularly interested in the functions of a soul. However, science and religion overlap on some topics. Each then generally puts forth conflicting beliefs on the same topic.  The results of these conflicts can often strain the culture, cause needless suffering, and even generate loss of life. 

Perhaps the most famous conflict was between Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) and the Roman Catholic Church, largely over the movements within the solar system.

At the time:

The Church interpreted the Bible as teaching the geocentric system in which the Earth is at the center of the universe. The Sun, Moon, other planets and stars revolve around the Earth.

Galileo taught the heliocentric system in which the Sun is the center of the solar system, the Earth and other planets revolved around the Sun, the Moon revolved around the Earth, and the stars were at incredible distances.

Galileo was tried by the Inquisition, condemned as a heretic, and spent the rest of his life in house arrest.

Some 350 years after Galileo's death:

"... Pope John Paul II gave an address on behalf of the Catholic Church in which he admitted that errors had been made by the theological advisors in the case of Galileo. He declared the Galileo case closed, but he did not admit that the Church was wrong to convict Galileo on a charge of heresy ..."

Many conservative Christians believe in the inerrancy of the Bible. Although they have are many competing theories over details, many conclude that a literal interpretation of Genesis in the Hebrew Scriptures indicates that God created the world during a six day, 144 hour period, sometime between 4004 and perhaps 8000 BCE. 

Cosmologists have reached a near consensus that the universe is about 13.7 billion years old and that the Earth coalesced about 4.5 billion years ago.

Many conservative Christians accept a literal interpretation of the biblical book of Genesis which seems to imply that all of the species of plant and animal life were created during this six day interval.

Today most of the source of friction is between Christian biblical literalists and science is insistence that creationism should also be taught in school, that evolution is false, and that since the Bible as the word of God is holy, the Earth is flat.
 

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Published on – February 14, 2018

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