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Dear Visitors,

Thank you for stopping at FlatEarthLunacy.com  

My journey to debunk flat Earth YouTube channels started 6 years ago.  
As a scientist with college degree in Astronomy, Physics and Mathematics, I was appalled to find folks telling outright lies and presenting bad science to bolster suspicion of our known accepted reality - that the Earth is a beautiful blue globe.

For the first 3 years I left video comments showing solid scientific evidence that flat Earth is fiction.  It's based on personal religious belief and purposeful conspiracy.   There are different personal agendas at play.   During those 3 years’ channels owners deleted my proofs and eventually banned me.  They worked to keep their video comment sections "clean" of any discussion contradictory to what they wanted to present.

Then for the next 2 years I posted my video comment debug proofs on Google plus.  I wanted a forum where I could post - without being deleted by the channels I was debunking.  That worked fine for a while, but eventually I noticed that about half of my articles, even though marked as "public," were not visible because of Google plus' auto spam/editing.

So in April of this year (2017) I decided to start this new blog (FlatEarthLunacy.com) so that none of my work could be deleted anymore.
This blog clearly shows scientific proofs that debunk everything that flat Earth proponents claim.
Here we also expose the comments those YouTube video channels delete, because they don't want you to see them. 

Thanks for visiting.

For the month of January 2018 our readership was up at 4,428 visitors, reading 6,246 pages - the best month yet!

The Earth is not flat.  That claim is a conspiracy theory perpetrated by ignorant people who have ulterior personal motives and agendas. 

The Earth is a beautiful blue spheroid globe spinning on an axis 23.5° once each day, and orbiting the Sun every 365.25 days.

We would appreciate your assistance in finding the true identity (real name and picture) of flat Earth posters, not already identified below.  If you have such information please email to us.  Thank you.    


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kind regards,

Jonah The Scientist

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Flat Earth Conspiracy [YouTube] Members Identified



Flat Earth - Roster of 382 YouTube Conspiracy Channels with articles

http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/732-flat-earth-roster-of-youtube-conspiracy-channels


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Robotic technology originally developed for the International Space Station is finding a new home in the operating room

MDA, the company that built the ISS robotic arm, used that same software and technology to develop this new surgery robotic with Synaptive Medical.

Watch this great video from NASA Johnson...

Benefits for Humanity: From Space to Surgery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDSJBG8aDUc


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An inconvenient spherical Earth truth

On the first day of spring all over the world, at latitudes between the Arctic Circle and Antarctic Circle, the sun rises due East and sets due West, EVERYWHERE. 

That does not work on the official flat Earth Azimuthal equidistant projection map as shown below.
 


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The exact dates of the equinoxes vary from year to year, but are always near March 20 and September 22.

The March 2018 equinox happens on March 20 at 16:15 Universal Time, which is 11:15 a.m. Central Daylight Time for us in the central U.S. Translate to your time zone.  The March equinox signals spring in the Northern Hemisphere and autumn in the Southern Hemisphere. On this day, the sun rises due east and sets due west.

Why do we see the sun rise in the East?

It appears to rise and set because of the Earth's rotation on its axis. It makes one complete turn every 24 hours. It turns toward the east. As the Earth rotates toward the east, it looks like the sun is moving west.


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Don't be fooled.  There are no errors in the science that validates that the Earth is a sphere. 

The majority of pushback against the sphere Earth is Christian biblical literalism.  
For them, TRUTH = what is written on the pages of the Bible, regardless of what real world evidence exists.

Note: Please don't get our message here at FlatEarthLunacy wrong.  Christianity is a beautiful religion that should be understood in the light of modern day science, which reflects our best understanding of how the universe really functions.  



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FECORE presenter creationist Robbie Davidson HAS IT WRONG...    


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Quotes about Science Ignorance:

Our knowledge is a receding mirage in an expanding desert of ignorance – Will Durant

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity - Martin Luther King Jr.

Science is but an image of the truth – Francis Bacon

In the age of information, ignorance is a choice – Donald Miller

Against logic there is no armor like ignorance – Laurence J. Peter

For he who knows not mathematics cannot know any other science; what is more, he cannot discover his own ignorance, or find its proper remedy – Roger Bacon

Humanity has the stars in its future, and that future is too important to be lost under the burden of juvenile folly and ignorant superstition – Isaac Asimov

Ignorant people raise questions which were answered by the wise thousands of years ago – Johann Goethe

Scientific literacy is an intellectual vaccine against the claims of charlatans who would exploit ignorance – Neil DeGrasse Tyson

The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism – Sir William Osler

There is no substitute for knowledge - W. Edwards Deming

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Flat Earth conspirator Keith M. North has multiple aliases and dozens of social network channels asking for PayPal donations


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His Twitch accounts:
You been exposed
1stop4gamers
Bigdread305
1s4gnetwork


His Twitter accounts:
1stop4gamers
Illuminate yo mind
1s4gnetwork
Bigdread305
Yourworldmyjourney


His Facebook accounts: 
1s4gnetwork
1stop4gamers
Youbeenexposed
Yourworldmyjourney
Big dread ferguson
Big dread305
Kenneth yen
And da red pill


He livestreams his 1stop4gamers channels to:  
1stop4gamers
1stop4 gamerslive
1stop4 gamers live
You been exposed
You been exposed2.0
Propaganda untold
1s4gnetwork

New YouTube flat Earth account = Propaganda Untold

All the accounts are linked to PayPal, Steemit and Google ads.


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The compete article here..
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/788-flat-earth-youtube-conspiracy-channel-you-been-exposed-keith-m-north-aka-bigdread305-1stop4gamers-propaganda-untold



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Is this a good representation of flat Earth advocacy?  Are you flat Earth folks proud of this guy?

Delano TV says,
“We gonna win because y’all shit don’t make sense, suck my dick.  Flat Earthers unite.  Suck my balls globe bitches, fucking balls the holes - fuck you."

 

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How Christian biblical literalism is driving today's flat Earth movement

Note: We here at FlatEarthLunacy do not care or interfere with anyone religious belief.  But keep those beliefs in the Church. 

It's only when those folks choose to purposely misrepresent science as they do on YouTube, that we step in to point out their errors and expose their disregard for evidence and reality. 

Christian redemption is offered at the low price of giving up your critical faculties - clear thought and intelligence.

Christian causes suffering on a broad scale, by stymieing science.  Christianity hates science because science keeps proving it wrong.  Christianity opposes science as often as politically feasible.  The statement "God did it" is a belief, that has not and/or cannot be objectively proven. 

Their accusation, science is ...


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Their religious belief system... 


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(this article still in process)
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/786-flat-earth-not-how-christian-biblical-literalism-is-driving-today-s-flat-earth-movement-2018

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Human history in the making with the successful commercial launch of the SpaceX Falcon Heavy rocket on February 6, 2018

Watch this great video by Astronomy Live...
Uninterrupted Footage of the Falcon Heavy Launch and Booster Landing! 2-6-18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59pY74ZhQ50

Note: The Falcon Heavy is the most powerful rocket in the world TODAY. 
But remember that the Saturn V rocket that launched Apollo to the Moon had twice the trust capacity of this Falcon Heavy.



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2018 - NASA is outsourcing the majority of its heavy lifting (cargo & astronauts to the ISS) to Orbital ATK, Boeing and SpaceX 

The SpaceX Falcon 9 has lowered the cost from $10,000 per pound, to $2,000 per pound, into low Earth orbit.
Today the complete cost for 1-ISS resupply mission is $63-million, as opposed to $500-million for each Space Shuttle launch.


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The first rocket stage flies the cargo HIGH, while the second stage flies it FAST - 17,500 mph to get into Earth orbit.

Why are rockets launched from west to east?

Anything on the surface of the Earth at the equator is already moving at 1,670 kilometers per hour (rotational velocity of earth). A satellite launched from the sites near the equator towards the east direction will get an initial boost equal to the velocity of Earth surface.


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At $10,000 per pound (LEO = low Earth orbit), the cost of sending 1-gallon of water up to the International Space Station was $83,454


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Now supplying the International Space Station…

The Cygnus spacecraft is an American automated cargo spacecraft developed by Orbital ATK as part of NASA's Commercial Orbital Transportation Services (COTS) developmental program.

SpaceX Dragon is a free-flying spacecraft designed to deliver both cargo and people to orbiting destinations.

SpaceX is using launch pad 39a at the Kennedy Space Center; the same pad used by the Saturn V rockets to the Moon. 

The entire flight from launch pad to ISS is fully automated.  It takes about 8-hours for the capsule to arrive at the ISS, at which point the ISS robotic arm is used to capture it - and secure it into the docking ring.  



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The SpaceX Falcon 9 has lowered the cost from $10,000 per pound, to $2,000 per pound.
Today the complete cost for 1-ISS resupply mission is $63-million, as opposed to $500-million for each Space Shuttle launch.
 

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(more in this important story will come here soon
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 Nothing better than an honest eye-witness account... 


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The Fine Art of Baloney Detection, by Carl Sagan…

1. Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the “facts.”

2.  Encourage substantive debate on the evidence by knowledgeable proponents of all points of view.

3.  Arguments from authority carry little weight — “authorities” have made mistakes in the past. They will do so again in the future. Perhaps a better way to say it is that in science there are no authorities; at most, there are experts.

4.  Spin more than one hypothesis. If there’s something to be explained, think of all the different ways in which it could be explained. Then think of tests by which you might systematically disprove each of the alternatives. What survives, the hypothesis that resists disproof in this Darwinian selection among “multiple working hypotheses,” has a much better chance of being the right answer than if you had simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy.

5.  Try not to get overly attached to a hypothesis just because it’s yours. It’s only a way station in the pursuit of knowledge. Ask yourself why you like the idea. Compare it fairly with the alternatives. See if you can find reasons for rejecting it. If you don’t, others will.

6.  Quantify. If whatever it is you’re explaining has some measure, some numerical quantity attached to it, you’ll be much better able to discriminate among competing hypotheses. What is vague and qualitative is open to many explanations. Of course there are truths to be sought in the many qualitative issues we are obliged to confront, but finding them is more challenging.

7.  If there’s a chain of argument, every link in the chain must work (including the premise) — not just most of them.

8.  Occam’s Razor. This convenient rule-of-thumb urges us when faced with two hypotheses that explain the data equally well to choose the simpler.

9. Always ask whether the hypothesis can be, at least in principle, falsified. Propositions that are untestable, unfalsifiable are not worth much. Consider the grand idea that our Universe and everything in it is just an elementary particle — an electron, say — in a much bigger Cosmos. But if we can never acquire information from outside our Universe, is not the idea incapable of disproof? You must be able to check assertions out. Inveterate skeptics must be given the chance to follow your reasoning, to duplicate your experiments and see if they get the same result. 

more here: 
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/753-flat-earth-not-the-fine-art-of-baloney-detection-by-carl-sagan

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Rocket man Mad Mike Hughes call it quits with Tim Ozman of the Infinite Plane Society

Closed caption voice below (in white) is that of Mike Hughes...


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What is this guy’s real name?


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Flat Earth Paradise, and their "North Seal Project"

Update: January 22, 2018

The boys are back home from Europe and have cancelled the North Seal Project, as they say due to lack of funding.  Did the 66 donors get their $4,426 money's worth?

Video comments have been turned back on.

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His blood-letting practice is shocking...


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Update: January 14, 2018

In the aftermath of collecting money from donors and playing up this grand adventure, they now appear to RENEGE on the project 

After only three months the neophyte amateur wannabe arctic explorers have withdrawn their request for SEAL Project funding.  Their signature project kick-off video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atOp4FHmPVA) has been taken off their channel and delisted. 

What are we to make of these new events?

As of today:

1) Indiegogo fund collection account has been closed.
2) The kick-off YouTube video for this project is no longer listed on their channel page.
3) Their web site northsealproject.org has no content.
4) There have been no further project updates for over 3-months.
5) Comments are suddenly DISABLED on all their videos.  They seem to want no communication.
6) Why Oh Why is their website (northsealproject.org) registered from Panama?  That country is well known for financial impropriety.


We will continue to update this article as new information becomes available.


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Full article is here:
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/730-flat-earth-paradise-north-seal-project-vlog-the-journey-has-begun


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These three young men have announced their plan to sail to the North Pole to find Eden (Hyperborea, Shambala)

October 27, 2017 - The North Seal Project


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New small telescope - satellite tracking software allows anyone to DISPROVE the flat Earth myth, that satellites don't exist and nothing is in Earth low orbit 
 

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Get the software here: 
http://www.heavenscape.com/

Use in conjunction with: 
https://www.space-track.org/auth/login

This info is courtesy Wolfie6020:
Satellite tracker software preview - Track satellites with a telescope
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qffR6x38DA

Our complete article is here:
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/733-flat-earth-not-new-satellite-telescope-tracking-software-allows-anyone-to-disprove-the-flat-earth-myth-that-satellites-don-t-exist-and-nothing-is-in-earth-low-orbit


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Larger telescopes have had satellite tracking software for years...

planewave.com

Planewavemedia
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Flat Earth Asshole Jacob Gibson, calls it quits from the flat Earth scene 


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Why?  As he explains...

“The Flat Earth is broken beyond repair.  Flat Earth is associated with concepts that are completely false, that the majority of flat Earthers are just rolling with.

“I am no longer Flat Earth Asshole. The Flat Earth movement is overrun with government agents and full blown retards making unproven claims. I personally don’t think the earth is a globe spinning in space and if someone asks me what I think the earth is, I will gladly say “I don’t know” and leave it at that. I warned you all that this movement is a controlled movement and the cast of characters within the movement are mostly absolute frauds and liars. I will no longer associate myself with the term “Flat Earther” because it is associated with liars, frauds and garbage disinformation that is easily debunked. If you want to believe in unproven claims made by paid liars that is your business but it won’t be mine. I will do a farewell to Flat Earth live stream very soon and make the announcement that I will continue making videos but I will now focus on other conspiracies and I will let the controlled opposition run wild with fantasy Flat Earth claims that nobody has proven such as dome and sun reflection off of a dome, 360 ice wall, etc."


More info here as this story continues to develop...
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/731-flat-earth-asshole-jacob-gibson-aka-jake-the-asshole-calls-it-quits-from-the-flat-earth-scene


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FECORE - doomed from the onset because of inadequate planning and lack of common sense, the Lake Balaton (in Hungary) flat Earth laser experiment is on the slippery slope to cancellation.


Update - February 1, 2018

Now moving to plan B and C (shore to shore) since the lake will not be frozen in February.

The test is now - if you can just see the laser beam from across the lake, that is their proof of flatness -> no cuvature.  But that is not a meaningful test.  That only leads to inconclusive results.

They have made no provision that the center of the divergent beam remains exactly parallel to the water as it traverses the 65 km across the lake.

For example, if the laser beam is 8-feet above the water at the starting point, will the center of the beam be exactly 8-feet above the water 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 and 60 km's down range? If they do not show measurements to prove that (it's still precisely 8.00-feet above the water) for every meter across the lake, THE RESULTS WILL BE WORTHLESS.  


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Standard techniques for measuring laser beam divergence thru a collimator -

1. Focal Length Method – this one only is ISO compliant

divergence = tan-1 ( beam width / focal length )

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2. Far-Field Wide Angle Method - This method is well suited to rapidly-diverging laser beams

divergence = 2 ∙ tan-1 [ beam width / (2 ∙ distance) ]

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divergence = 2 ∙ tan-1 [ ( second beam width – first beam width ) / (2 ∙ distance) ]

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To date no flat Earth proponent has ever put forward a chart or physics/math model for calculating atmospheric refraction on a flat Earth.  They do propose to determine what that value is - for this experiment.  I would really like to see that. 

So far they have not announced that they will be taking temperature and barometric pressure measurements ALL along the laser 65 km path.  Without those, no refraction conclusions are possible.  Without this correct allowance for refraction, their results will be inclusive.   



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Their laser beam divergence calculation (spreading out) at 65 km is correct, assuming 0.08 MRAD. 

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Here are OUR calcs...

Beam diameter after 65,000 meters = 5,225 mm

Area of laser point after 65,000 meters = 21,445,143.82 mm2


Laser intensity after 65,000 meters = 0.00013989 mWmm2 



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Wattage:
Unlike the other terms, wattage refers not to the amount or quality of light emitted, but rather to the amount of electrical energy poured into the light source. A watt is a unit of measurement for gauging energy consumption. Because some light sources consume energy more efficiently than others, wattage does not always correlate directly to the amount of light produced. To compare the energy efficiency of two light sources, look instead at each one's lumens-per-watt performance, or how much light is produced for each watt of energy the light source consumes.

Lumen:
A lumen is a unit of measurement gauging how much total light a device or bulb produces, regardless of beam focus. Even if two different light sources produce the same lumen measurement, one may dimly light most of a room, while the other may brightly light only a few square feet or even a few square inches.

Watts to lumens calculator
https://www.rapidtables.com/calc/light/watt-to-lumen-calculator.html

The intensity (mW/mm2) of a laser beam on a surface theoretically follows a bivariate normal distribution with maximum intensity at the center, equal variance

A 3-watt laser can ignite wood and paper at short distances

We don't know the exact specification of their laser, so the following may not be an "apple to apple" comparison so to speak, but here is some pertinent laser info to consider:


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The claim that this Lake Balaton test will be the longest laser test performend in history, is not correct.  Many have been performed longer than theirs.

Survey of the McDonald Observatory Radial Line Scheme - TR NOS 74 NGS 9 Jun 1978  =   92.9 km laser test
https://www.ngs.noaa.gov/PUBS_LIB/TRNOS74NGS9.pdf


BOLLOCK !!!


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Same article here:
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/784-fecore-february-1-2018-update-lake-ballaton-laser-experiment-now-moving-to-plan-b-c

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The laser experiment has received its first postponement, from January now to February 14-28, 2018.

Normally scientific equipment enters Europe thru pre-approved channels; either involving a participating university or government consortium.  Unless there are special circumstances, it needs to be shipped to Europe by a freight forwarder with adequate documentation to pass customs.  There is also a customs fee to be paid.  This process often takes 1-4 months.

With regard to airline travel, it's questionable if the American TSA (Transportation Security Administration) would let them pack anything larger than a laser pen in their luggage, without additional screening.  Larger scientific instruments with lenses attract considerable attention.  

If Bob Knodel and Jaren Campanella and his crew of twenty people suddenly showed up at Lake Balaton and started setting up tripods, lasers and cameras - the local authorities will swoop down on them.  They could be accused of nefarious activities and end up in jail.  Such an activity needs to be pre-approved by the authorities and the local community, and arranged weeks ahead of time.  Lake Balaton is a vacation destination site.  Since it generates commerce they do not want activities (like this) that disrupt planned community winter events and celebrations for the visiting public.  

But FECORE will be saved by the non-compliance of the weather.  Based on historical records, the chance of having a frozen Lake Balaton in February 2018 is only 10%

The actual experiment laser deployment and measurement plan as currently outlined by them is untenable, and very unlikely to produce any results of value.

The only thing that will allow the FECORE incompetent crew to save face, is that Lake Balaton will not freeze over this February.

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More news to come shortly…


Full article here:
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/719-fecore-january-9-2018-update-doomed-from-the-onset-because-of-inadequate-planning-and-lack-of-common-sense-the-lake-balaton-in-hungary-flat-earth-laser-experiment-is-on-the-slippery-slope-to-cancellation


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FECORE drops the word FLAT from the title of their upcoming "EARTH CONVENTION UK" conference. 

Is this a ploy to whitewash the true intent of the convention, appear more mainstream, and attract greater sponsorship?  But on the flipside, they will not get the recognition and publicity that they desperately want, because it will be overlooked by the media. 
Does this represent some sort of defeat and back tracking against the Flat Earth label?


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More to come as we follow this story…

Full article here:
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/720-fecore-january-10-2018-update-flat-earth-dropped-for-upcoming-april-2018-uk-convention

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and refuses to answer two simple 10th grade science/astronomy questions to prove her claim that she knows astronomy.


Full article here:
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/718-sfearless-earth-diana-campanella-claims-to-understand-astronomy-yet-call-some-craters-on-the-moon-bubbles-and-refuses-to-answer-two-simple-astronomy-questions-flat-earth-balls-in-space-moon-bubbles-continued-p


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Taboo Conspiracy video proves the Earth is curved.  He did not know that until we pointed it out!

Look at the middle building with the vertical lights... 


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Missing curvature from the photo is:
a) living floor 1 (since only floors 2 - 9 are visible) 
b) main floor (lobby & garage) 
c) possibly part of living floor 2, since an outside balcony hides the bottom 3 or so feet of the picture window where the light is shining from
d) some contribution due to atmospheric thermal inversion refraction, which bending light downward allow you to see curvature already below the horizon



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Complete article is here:
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/712-taboo-conspiracy-debunking-the-globe-again-hidden-curvature-found-by-flatearthlunacy-com-his-complete-failure-is-due-to-improperly-analyzing-his-own-video


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The Truth Files (Marcus, on the right) - this is how he gets ready for the day... 


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Full article here:
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/701-the-truth-files-marcus


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Antarctica flight herald's new era for tourism to South Pole area - 3,944 people went in 2016


By Zhu Wenqian | China Daily | Updated: 2017-12-20 08:00

A Chinese business jet landed safely at the Wolfs Fang Airport in Antarctica on Saturday night, the first time a Chinese private jet operator has operated a flight to the southernmost continent.

The aircraft, with 22 Chinese passengers onboard, flew from Hong Kong to Cape Town International Airport, and then flew to Antarctica. Next, the team will fly around five to six hours to the South Pole, and it will become the first self-organized Chinese scientific research team.

The plane, operated by Hainan Airlines, was a Deer Jet Gulfstream G650 aircraft. Deer Jet said it had planned the flight for a year, and conducted hundreds of risk tests, flight routes, flight support and emergency plans to ensure the flight could be performed safely.

Beijing-based Deer Jet, a subsidiary of Hainan Airlines, said the successful landing of the jet in Antarctica signals that the business jet sector in China has entered the market in Antarctica, and it will provide opportunities for business and leisure travelers who would like to travel to the continent.

Wang Wen, a professor from Renmin University of China, who was on the flight, said the launching of a Chinese commercial flight to Antarctica will arouse the interest of Chinese tourists.

"It will also encourage more Chinese consumers to pay attention to Antarctica, in addition to the responsibilities that China should take in the continent," he said.

Ctrip.com, China's largest online travel agency, said it had received an unusually large number of inquiries for its Antarctica tours this year and estimated that more than 1,000 Chinese tourists would be staying in Antarctica during the upcoming Spring Festival holiday in February.

Most trips to Antarctica cost more than 100,000 yuan ($15,152). The best season to visit the continent is usually between December and February, as it is the summer time there.

To cater to this demand, Beijing Caissa International Travel Service Co, a company in which HNA Group holds around half of the shares, said it plans to officially launch travel products to the South Pole next year. 

http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201712/20/WS5a39a82fa31008cf16da24ce.html

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Other folks going to the South Pole
https://antarctic-logistics.com/trip/south-pole-flights/

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Same article is here:
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/660-call-to-all-flat-earth-adventurers-relieve-your-psychotic-delusions-and-book-your-airline-ticket-to-the-south-pole-its-easy-here-is-how


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The latest curved Earth stuff from Soundly (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtODdWv6PVk) ...


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More info here...
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/284-curved-water-found-by-youtube-channel-soundly



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Taboo Conspiracy bungles Utah Lake curvature test by using inferior equipment, and showing us elongated & fuzzy images (reflections off the water) instead of true lights on the opposite shore.

Instead of seeing this - crisp round distinct lights at night from a direct light source, an indirect light source for comparison, and a building or natural feature for sharp contrast...


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He showed us this monstrosity...
 



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Since the images recorded by Taboo Conspiracy are elongated (up & down) in shape, those images ARE NOT the actual lights on the opposite shore.  Instead, they are the reflected images of those lights on the water/ice and they reside anywhere within the 5.58-mile section past the camera's horizon range, depending upon the extent of atmospheric distortion, refraction and temperature inversion.

Taboo Conspiracy is really showing us reflected water/ice images (from the yellow area), not the round actual flashlight beam itself (at point H). 


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Full article here...
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/653-flat-earth-not-taboo-conspiracy-utah-lake-curvature-test-debunked

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GM Skywatcher - admits that he has no direct evidence to prove that Chemtrails are toxic or biological agents, yet continues with his conspiracy posts


His email...

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Some nasty rants...


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And then after our conversation, he deleted all of it from view on his channel.

Update: December 20, 2017

We offered GM Skywatcher a valid suggestion on how to measure the chemical constituency of jet plane sky trails in real time (see below), but he deleted our entire conversation post.

That leads us to conclude that GM Skywatcher is not interested in personal experimentation to find out what is really in those sky trails.  He is just happy being angry and blaming everyone else for pollution.

Our suggestion to him:

+GM Skywatcher, so instead you should do the experiment that I suggested before, to gather evidence as to what is really happening in the sky. 

Every community has an amateur astronomy club.  Find one near you and make friends with someone who has a medium size telescope (8-inches).  Ask them to help participate in your experiment.  You buy a hand held spectrograph/spectrometer (about $100) and couple it to their telescope.  Take spectrograph pictures of the Moon when those jet planes are flying in front of it.  Do it for the planes that you think are seeding the sky purposely.

It's well known what the spectra of the Moon looks like, as well as aircraft chemical emissions.  These spectra/telescope images will show what chemicals are in the air at that moment, as emitted by the jet plane.  That is concrete evidence.  If toxic chemical is being sprayed or emitted by the planes you will pick them up.

Do this instead of spending your time complaining about who is doing what to the atmosphere.

kind regards,


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Full article here...
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/655-gm-skywatcher-admits-that-he-has-no-direct-evidence-to-prove-that-chemtrails-are-toxic-or-biological-agents-yet-continues-with-his-conspiracy-posts


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How does the Flat Earth model account for the lunar month (new Moon to new Moon) on December 18, 2017, being the longest of this century?  Is there some slip up in their Moon's circular path 3,000 miles above?

Truth be told, it doesn't.  The FE model does not even address this reality.

It's really because the New Moon is at orbital apogee.

from the Earth Sky article, by Bruce McClure…

"On December 18, 2017, the moon will be new, or most nearly between the Earth and sun for this month. Astronomers mark the beginning of each lunar month, a period of approximately 29.5 days, at new moon. Lunar months are slightly different lengths, however, and this particular new moon ushers in the longest lunar month of the 21st century (2001 to 2100). 

A lunar month (also called a lunation or synodic month) is defined as the period of time between successive new moons. Although the mean length of the lunar month lasts 29.53059 days (29d 12h 44m 03s), this upcoming lunar month will be more than 7 hours longer than the mean, having a duration of 29 days 19 hours 47 minutes"

21st century's longest lunar month stars December 18th 
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Look up at the sky on Jan. 31 and you may witness a sight unseen for 150 years. For the first time since 1866, a total lunar eclipse will occur with the blue moon, or second full moon of the month, which—like the one visible on New Year's Day—will also be a super moon.

When the moon is at or near the closest point to Earth in its orbit (aka, a super-moon), it appears 14% bigger and 30% brighter than full moons that occur at the farthest point in the moon's orbit.

Full moon distance (2017 Dec 3 at 15:47 UTC): 357,987 km
Lunar apogee distance (2017 Dec 4 at 8:42 UTC): 357,492 km

Full moon distance (2018 Jan 2 at 2:24 UTC): 356,846 km
Lunar perigee distance (2018 Jan 1 at 21:54 UTC): 356,565 km

Full moon distance (2018 Jan 31 at 13:27 UTC): 360,199 km
Lunar perigee distance (2018 Jan 30 at 9:54 UTC): 358,995 km

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Why such variation in the length of lunar months?  It is because the flat Earth model where the Sun and Moon orbit 3,000 miles above the earth in a perfect circle - is flawed? 


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For Jessie Johnson, it's about his personal religious belief system verses science

Ever since the 1610 time of Galileo, Christians have taken on the anti-science mantle to preserve their ego, sense of identity, and religious belief system

Hopefully when space tourism takes off in the future, enough people will see for themselves that the Earth is a globe.


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His comment to us...


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More info on Jesse Johnson here:
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/654-flat-earth-not-jessie-johnson-does-not-know-the-difference-between-momentum-gravity-free-fall-velocity-centrifugal-force-and-f-ma-so-he-continues-to-post-misinformation

http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/658-jessie-johnson-earth-moon-sun-and-centri-petal-force-flat-earth-truth-debunk

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FECORE LLC, right on the heels of the last jeranism (Jeran Campanella) Victoria Canal flat Earth laser experiment FAILURE, is sending him and friends to Hungary to try there.  

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Dear readers,  

So let’s follow this story and see if the test actually takes place in January 2018. 

But the following flat Earth Lake Balaton experiment has recently been completed by Sandor Szekely.

http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/98386-laser-curvature-test-on-lake-balaton/



Update: January 8, 2018

The Lake Balaton experiment has been delayed/rescheduled for February 14th

Notice also that they dropped the word "FLAT" from the upcoming UK conference.  It's now called the "Earth Convention UK"


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Mike Marshalek wants your money to buy a sailboat and explore flat Earth Antarctica 
         
He refuses to disclose how much has been raised.

In our opinion, this is just another flat Earth lunacy money making scam. Mike is naive, does not understand the weather and physical elements that he will encounter.  

It's nice to sit in your warm house and dream up expeditions, but the reality of traversing harsh climatic conditions that risk your life is different.

We will keep you updated on his progress at exploringagain.com


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HIS STATED MISSION :

EXPLORING REGIONS THAT HAS STILL NOT YET HAVE BEEN EXPLORED.

WE WILL PLANT A FLAG AND GET AWARENESS OF THE CAUSE

CIRCLE-NAVIGATE THE ANTARCTICA AND POLAR REGIONS

FIND PASSAGEWAYS

RESEARCH & SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENTS. DRONES/WEATHER BALLOONS.

STUDYING EARTH’S ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS

SEAPLANE FLIGHTS OF POLAR REGIONS.

MONITOR THE 24 HOUR SUN OF ANTARCTICA AND ARCTIC

CLIMB MOUNT EREBUS, MOUNT VINSON MASSIF, ANTARCTICA PYRAMID

WE WILL UNRAVEL THE MYSTERIOUS DECEPTIONS OF THIS REALM.

FOR THOSE WHO HAVE FAILED, WE WILL SUCCEED.


Update: December 20, 2017

Mike never responded back to us with an answer. 

We asked, "How much money have you raised so far and how much more is needed to buy the sailboat?"


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Exact same info is here...
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/656-mike-marshalek-wants-your-money-to-buy-a-sailboat-and-explore-flat-earth-antarctica


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Flat Earth community falls in love with the Nikon P900 - but its optics are no substitute for a real telescope

It's APERTURE (lens) size that determines the quality and resolution of pictures, NOT zoom or magnification capability.

Ignorance about basic optics leads people to think that the P900 could be a substitute for telescopes.  NO WAY. 

Resolution is best at lower power...


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Resolution deteriorates with increasing magnification...


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View from REAL telescopes... 

The middle pictures are from a telescope that cost the same as a Nikon P900.  Notice how much better the resolution detail of Jupiter is. 


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Inside the P900 camera:

Lens - Zoom-Nikkor ED VR; 16 elements in 12 groups including a super extra-low dispersion (ED) glass element 

Focal Length (35mm equivalent):
 24 - 2,000mm

Focal Length (actual): 4.3 - 357mm

Zoom Ratio:  83.00x

83 power is just an advertizers numbers game.  With an actual zoom range of (4.3 - 357mm), the real apparent magnification is 56 power. 

With respect to celestial object resolution, the P900 cannot resolve objects more than 2.11 arc-seconds apart.
By comparison, the Meade LX70 6-inch reflector telescope priced at $479.95, can resolve objects to 0.77 arc-seconds apart.  


A larger aperture means that more light can be collected, so that fainter objects now become visible.   
The human eye can detect stars down to magnitude 6. 
Magnitude is a logarithmic scale, so a 7-magnitude star is 2.5 times fainter that a 6-magnitude star.

A 6-inch reflector telescope at 120x can detect stars down to magnitude 13.8
A 8-inch reflector telescope at 120x can detect stars down to magnitude 14.3
A 60-inch reflector telescope at 120x can detect stars down to magnitude 15.8
That is why larger and larger telescopes are always being built.
Taking a long exposure photograph (from seconds to hours) greatly increases any instruments ability to record fainter objects.

The P900 Digital sensor:

The Image Sensor size of p900 = (6.2mm x 4.6mm) = 28.52 sq mm Diagonal = 7.72 mm

Image sensor size of any full frame camera (35 mm) = 36mm x 24 mm = 864 sq mm . Diagonal = 43.232 mm

Ratio of Diagonals = 43.232 mm / 7.72 mm = 5.6. This is called crop factor. this is the pseudo zoom we get because of using a small sensor as compared to 35mm format.

The P900 has a 1/2.3" digital sensor.
The iPhone 6S has a 1/3” digital sensor, which is LARGER than the P900’s.

A larger sensor will either have larger pixels, or more pixels. Larger pixels mean a greater capacity to store charge (all else being equal) and more light being captured per pixel hence less light in the shadows, hence greater dynamic range.  More pixels mean the similar noise per pixel but more pixels to average over to reduce shadow noise, and hence increase dynamic range.

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Flat Earth advocates often publish photos like the one below. 
The P900 camera "aperture stop" is hexagonal in shape.  Combine that with a deliberately out-of-focus star image and you get that monstrosity.  Passing that off as reality is predetermined fraud...



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Misunderstand of photographic diffractions rings and the Airy disk is another popular deception perpetrated by the flat Earth community, as demonstrated below.

What you are seeing is a light diffraction pattern caused by the camera optics itself.

ROTR wants you to believe this is what the planet Venus really looks like.  Please tell him you don't buy into his fraud. 


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The size of the Airy disks in an image depends upon the iris/aperture dimensions of the camera.   It’s strictly a light diffraction pattern.

The shocking thing few camera-buyers realize is that these fuzzy blobs are often larger than the individual pixels in a digital camera sensor.

Instead of a sharp pinpoint, light is actually focused into a fuzzy bulls-eye pattern. Its bright center is named the Airy disk, after the British scientist who first described it.



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Same info here: 
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/659-flat-earth-community-falls-in-love-with-the-nikon-p900-but-its-optics-are-no-substitute-for-a-real-telescope

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The internet is breeding paranoid schizophrenic conspiracy theorists

Now anybody and everybody is posting all sort of things.  True or untrue does not matter to them, as long as YouTube continues to monetize channels they will continue to post for money. 

YouTube is complicit in fanning flat Earth delusion.

Ask YouTube to demonetize channels, and we will quickly see a return to sanity and the elimination of much fake news.   


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Reprinted with permission.  Cartoon from - thinkthebook.org



Update: January 2018:

The new threshold for YouTube channel monetization is 4,000-hours of watch time within the past 12-months, and 1,000 subscribers.
 
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How far has American society slipped from reality?

What is this new, going on 20-year phenomenon?

As an example, in 1860 southerners did not say, there are no slaves.  At that time people said slavery is good, or slavery is bad.  Those are disagreements.

The condition we have now is – factual truth is no longer true.

Some say - chemtrails are real and the Earth is flat.

Those folks remain in their self-chosen constructed bubble, a mental silo divorced from reality, in which they sit incapable of reconciliation.



Recipe for creating a flat Earth conspiracy advocate

Ingredients:

25% normal people (they never took a science class) and 75% Christian Evangelicals*  


Instructions:

1. Sift the incoming contents of people and admit only those who are currently skeptical -
A person who questions the validity or authenticity of something purporting to be factual.
A person who maintains a doubting attitude.
A person more likely to put in the appropriate research before believing what they are told.  

2. Sift the remaining people and admit only those who watch YouTube videos as their source of knowledge.
Research Flat Earth means, do not go to school and take any physics, astronomy, math or real chemistry classes.  All of that is forbidden.
Only watch YouTube videos created by other flat Earth conspiracy theorists. 
Watch enough videos until you are convinced that the delusions of fact that they present, are accepted by you as truth.        

3. Reaffirm that before entering this recipe you already believed in conspiracy theories. 
Juicy ones such as 911 was an inside job, NASA never landed men on the Moon, Sandy Hook was staged, Chemtrails are real - those are all qualifiers.  Confess that you currently believe that mass deception is taking place and that you are being lied to.  You took the red Matrix pill to open your eyes.  Congratulations, you may now proceed to the next step!
     

4.  Flat Earth gives adherents a sense of purpose and value.
Say NO to the Heliocentric model, because I am not an accident, living on a tiny insignificant round rotating spec of rock, orbiting an average Yellow G2 spectral category Sun, just one of billions and billions in the universe.  If the Earth and Sun disappeared tomorrow it would not even be noticed.
Say YES to the Geocentric model where the Earth is flat, because I am special and the creator made the Universe just for me.    

Congratulations.  You are now an official flat head.


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Christian Evangelicals* - if you already believe in the literal interpretation of the Old Testament (chapter Genesis), than you can skip steps 1-3 and go to step 4 immediately.


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If the Earth were truely flat, the shadow of the Earth on the Moon during a lunar eclipse would look like this (see picture below) - BUT IT DOES NOT

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Is this an admission by the Flat Earth Society that of all the planets in our solar system, ONLY the EARTH is FLAT?


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Flat Earth 2017 - Who are these people? 

Of the thousands of flat Earth supporters, the majority of them reside in the United States. 

Here is where they live:
 
United States = ................................53%
United Kingdom = ............................16% 
Canada = ...........................................5%
Australia = ..........................................4% 
the other 191 countries combined = 22%  

The United States has the highest percentage (by population) of flat Earth supporters in the world, simply because Evangelical Christians make up over ¼ of the total USA population.  Evangelical Christians are the leading flat Earth advocates.  

Who are these Flat Earth people:

75% are:
Evangelical Christians.  For them if you believe in God, you must also accept the literal world view according to the Bible.

They point to scriptures that say…
The Earth is stationary and does not move
The Earth is the center of everything.

Because of their religious belief Evangelical Christians must dismiss SCIENCE as untrue, because it sometimes contradicts the personal mental world view that they have created for themselves.

Some have said, science is an abomination to God.

These are the same folks that are against LGTB, gay rights, transgender, abortion, etc.

So they blame grand conspiracies for deliberately hiding God and the true shape of the universe.

According to them, who is hiding the flat Earth?
Illuminati
Bilderberg’s
Jesuits
Free Masons
Trilateral Commission
Vatican (the current Pope has mentioned that the Big Bang is possible)
Zionist
NASA

This all started around the year 1610 when Galileo used his telescope to observe the moons of Jupiter.  The four moons revolving around Jupiter clearly displayed that the Earth was not the center of the universe.  He begged the Clergy to look thru the telescope and see for themselves, but they refused.  He was later forced to recant his statements upon threat of death.

Then around 1838 in England, Samuel Rowbotham conducted the famous Bedford Canal level experiment, where he claimed the Earth was flat. 

After Rowbotham’s death Lady Elizabeth Blount established The Universal Zetetic Society also in England.  Every meeting was started with Bible scripture readings followed by prayer.

Later in the middle of the 20th century Samuel Shenton created the International Flat Earth Society.

When NASA came out with space pictures of Earth in the 1960’s, he claimed that they were all fake.

Various flat Earth societies exist today. 

The advent of YouTube, Facebook, and the other social networks available today has suddenly pushed flat Earth into the spotlight. The latest growth spurt started in 2015. 

This year 2017 saw the first International Flat Earth conference in the USA. England is planning a conference for 2018.

So now there is real money making opportunity in it.
 
The financial sponsor of the Flat Earth International Conference 2017 was Ralph Joseph Riehl, the CEO of Metatron Inc.

He approached Patricia Steers and Mark Sargent a few years ago looking for a new business plan; how to monetize and make money on YouTube channels.  He claims to be a flat earth agnostic, so he does not support or deny a flat Earth.
He made a lot of money creating mobile apps for Eckert Tolle and others.
iMobile  

Patricia Steers, a leading advocate, lives in a ½ million dollar house owned by Metatron Inc.

The closed caption voice of Patricia Steere...


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Some of the major flat Earth channels are getting about $1,500 each month in donations from supporters.  There is an attempt to do videos full time with a livable salary. 

25%  are:
stupid and ignorant people
people in it only for the money
people with no science training making up all kinds of crazy theories.
people inventing new laws of nature and forces that don’t really exist.

Truthers – those that believe the government and public education is meant to keep people as if slaves.  They profess to be the only ones that know the truth.
They distrust almost everything.

Matrix theory
Truman Show theory
etc.

We noticed that these folks were part of a cultural phenomenon of discontentment with life.  They want to blame government, big business and big money, anyone but themselves,

The folks who put on the Flat Earth International Conference in North Carolina, are all motivated by Christian evangelism.  For them, it's all about God verses science.

In their own words (white closed caption)


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Full article here:
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/645-flat-earth-2017-official-survey-how-are-these-people

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Flat Earther's often claim that a rainbow is evidence that a dome / firmament surrounds us. 

But how do they explain the presence of a DOUBLE RAINBOW?  And what about that second rainbow where the colors are in REVERSE order?

In the picture below the left anchor of the brighter rainbow is very close.  It seems to be IN FRONT OF A NEARBY HILL.

A fog machine and high intensity light in your living room will create a rainbow.  So then under this condition, does that rainbow prove (reflect off of) the firmament?    



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If you claim it's not 42-degrees than how much is it, and how did you come up with your value?

Here is how to measure the angle for yourself...

The rainbows we see in the sky are actually full circles, but we can only see a portion of them. You can measure the angular radius of a rainbow. When you see a rainbow in the sky, go outside and pin an index card onto a tree, making sure the pin is large enough to project from the tree. Turn the card so that its top edge points to the top of the rainbow. Notice the shadow of the pin. Draw a straight line that runs through the top of the card and touches the bottom of the pin’s shadow. Measure the angle created with your drawn line and the line of the top of the card. The angle should be 42 degrees. This is the angular distance of the rainbow to the anti-solar point, or the point exactly opposite the sun. During times when the sun happens to be more than 42 degrees above the horizon, you will not see a rainbow. However, if you stand on a hill, you may be able to see more of the circle. At times, airplane passengers can observe a full circle.


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What Causes A Double Rainbow?
https://www.howitworksdaily.com/what-causes-a-double-rainbow/

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B.o.B (Bobby Ray Simmons Jr., rapper) wants your money, up to 1-milion dollars, to build and launch balloons for flat Earth research.

   

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So Mr. Simmons, this is the type of REAL balloon launch that you need to do.  No more wasting money on amateur stuff.


Pictures are from the Sky & Telescope Magazine article - Balloon Astronomy: From Launch to Landing, by Monica Young
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/sky-and-telescope-magazine/balloon-astronomy-from-launch-to-landing/
 

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Bob aticle here:
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/635-flat-earth-not-b-o-b-bobby-ray-simmons-jr-rapper-established-gofundme-account-requesting-up-to-1-million-dollars-for-flat-earth-research


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This is now off the charts.   Flat Earth money SCAMS into high gear.  Some have expensive requests... 


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Summary so far:
Only support those people that you know personally.
The small accounts asking for $1,000 - $3,000 for billboards mostly (but not all) came thru and delivered.
The people asking for lots of money, like for trips to Antarctica or a flat Earth edge expedition, got nothing.
People who established accounts for others, such as "Fly Eddie Bravo to the Stratosphere" by Pablo Rimondi, are frauds.  Eddie Bravo does not know Pablo Rimondi, nor has Pablo ever got in touch with Eddie.


Some of the money theft is now starting to come out:

Flat Earth Not - Infinite Plane Society Tim Ozman (aka The Daily Plane and other names) GoFundMe account swindle?  There is $4,336 unaccounted for.
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/651-flat-earth-not-infinite-plane-society-jack-larson-gofundme-account-swindle

Flat Earth Not - You Been Exposed GoFundMe account swindle?  There is $487 unaccounted for.
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/652-flat-earth-not-you-been-exposed-gofundme-account-swindle


More here:
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/636-flat-earth-money-scams-into-high-gear-at-gofundme

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Update - January 25, 2018

Infinite Plane Society (Tim Ozman) raised $1,041 for the FEMA Art Exhibit in Denver that never happened, and $7,906 for the Mad Mike rocket launch publicity stunt that will no longer take place. Mike Hughes has terminated his agreement with Tim Ozman. 

Bottom line is that more than 134 people donated money (1,041 + 7,906 = $8,947) to Tim Ozman in good faith, and they got zero in return.  Waisted money.  Gone into thin air. 


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and $7,906 for this rocket launch...  

Flat Earth Community Rocket Launch

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Mike Hughes does daredevil stunts.  The launch has been postponed several times and is now schedule for November 25th, at Amboy California.

But there seems to be a mismatch in expectations.  The Mike Hughes steam powered rocket produces thrust for about 10-seconds, has traveled downrange as far as 1/2 mile, and can approach an altitude of 1,800 feet.

That height will provide no evidence about the shape of the Earth (flat or round).  How do the people who donated the $7,875 feel about their money being used for a publicity stunt?  Let's see what happens on the 25th.  



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They are now asking for another $5,000 in donations...


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Update: January 7, 2018:

The above GoFundMe request has been withdrawn and is no more
https://www.gofundme.com/mad-mike-flat-earth-rocket-launch

So what is going on?

Oh.  It turns out that GoFundMe booted Tim Ozman off the forum after they got wind that his previous account netting over $8,000 for the same rocket launch, still has not occurred a year after promised.

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Who is the financial backer behind FEOHP - Flat Earth and Other Hot Potatoes crew, Patricia Steere and Mark Sargent?

At the very top of all this is Ralph Joseph Riehl of Metatron Inc
Ralph Riehl is neither for or against flat Earth.  As an internet/mobile database and app provider, he is in it only to make money.  

Developing story, as reported by YouTube channel Flat Earth Reset 3.

Patricia's 1/2 million dollar house is owned by - FEOHP LLC, 1510 West Loop S, Houston TX 77027-9505

The closed caption voice of Patricia Steere...  


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FEOHP LLC is registered in the State of Delaware

Who is at address 1510 West Loop S, Houston TX?

Laundry’s Dining, Hospitality, Entertainment & Gaming

Landry's, Inc., is an American, privately owned, multi-brand dining/hospitality/entertainment/gaming corporation. Headquartered in Houston, Texas, Landry's, Inc. owns and operates more than 600 restaurant/hotel/casino/entertainment destinations in 35 states and the District of Columbia. The company also owns and operates numerous international locations.

Landry's, Inc., is owned entirely by President & CEO Tilman J. Fertitta, an original partner in the company's first Landry's Seafood, which opened in the Houston suburb of Katy, Texas, in 1980. A year later, Fertitta helped open Willie G's, a seafood restaurant in Houston. In 1986, Fertitta gained controlling interests in both restaurants. He became CEO and took the company public in 1993, with a valuation of $30 million.

Under the leadership of Fertitta, the company expanded. In 2010, already being the majority shareholder, Fertitta acquired all outstanding shares of company stock, gaining sole control and ownership.  By 2011, the company's value had risen to more than $1.7 billion. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landry%27s,_Inc.



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New flat Earth site FECORE is located at - North Liberty Mennonite Church, North Liberty, Indiana

They are currently collecting Membership Fees even though no content has yet been published.


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Shamrock Holdings is still, or was, owned by Roy Disney


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More info here:
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/633-fecore-north-liberty-mennonite-church

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Are clouds ever BEHIND the Sun and Moon as flat Earth advocates claim?  Assuredly never.  

This article is still being written ... 

Cumulus clouds are puffy clouds that sometimes look like pieces of floating cotton. The base of each cloud is often flat and may be only 1000 meters (3300 feet) above the ground. The top of the cloud has rounded towers.

Cumulonimbus clouds are thunderstorm clouds that form if cumulus congestus clouds continue to grow vertically. Their dark bases may be no more than 300 m (1000 ft.) above the Earth's surface. Their tops may extend upward to over 12,000 m (39,000 ft.).

Cirrus Clouds: thin and wispy. The most common form of high-level clouds is thin and often wispy cirrus clouds. Typically found at heights greater than 20,000 feet (6,000 meters), cirrus clouds are composed of ice crystals that originate from the freezing of super cooled water droplets.




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We are monitoring the upcoming (Nov 25th) flat Earth laser test by jeranism - Jeran Campanella
  

Update: November 30, 2017   
Comedy of errors and confusion lead to no useful results

Here is an onsite report of what happened at the Victoria Canal… 

brygenon:

I was the globe-head there. In the video at Globebusters, Jeran shows an illustration with four panels. That may have been the plan, but in the field there were three: one right in front of the laser (which I think is useless), one 1.5 miles down-range with a 6-inch hole 17 feet above the water-line, and one 3 miles down-range, with height-lines drawn on it (I assume; couldn't see it). 

By the time I arrived the sun had set and the panel in front of the laser was up. Enrique got a volunteer, Steven, and they left to set up the down-range panels. I stayed at the laser location, as did Jeran and Daniel the camera-man. (Apologies if I have names wrong or misspelled.) 

The laser with beam-expander, and the telescope mount that carried it, did not work. Jeran first adjusted the beam-expander with the beam hitting the ground. When Enrique got the 1.5-mile panel up, Jeran aimed the beam using a remote for the telescope mount. Aiming was touchy: it would fail to move, then move way to much. When he got it aimed, Enrique reported by phone that the beam lit the entire panel. To further adjust the beam-expander, Jeran had to hand-manipulate it, throwing off the aim. 

Jeran switched to the back-up plan. At the 1.5-mile panel, Steven held a reasonably powerful flashlight. At the 3-mile distance, Enrique held a monster flashlight. Jeran had a long-zoom camera, 17 feet above water, pointed down-range toward Steven and Enrique. The three set up a conference call, and with Jeran directing repeated the following procedure about ten times: 

Steven shined his light toward the camera, through the hole in the 1.5 mile panel 17 feet above the waterline. Enrique held his light at 17 feet above water, which was about waist-high for him, and walked to his left so that its light would go around the middle panel. Jeran and I could see both lights in the camera's flip-out viewfinder. As well as Jeran could focus, the lights were sizable balls not dots, and they appeared to be at about the same height. Enrique, at 3 miles, would walk back to his right until his light was occluded by the 1.5-mile panel, centered as well as Jeran could estimate. Then Steven would turn off his light and remove it from the hole. The test was then whether we could see, in the viewfinder, Enrique's light through the hole in 1.5 mile panel, which would support a flat earth. If not, could we see it if he held it over his head, well over 17 feet above waterline, which would support a round earth. 

In about 10 tries, with the light held waist-high at 17 feet above water we never clearly saw it through the center panel hole. On one of the attempts, maybe the fourth of ten, we clearly saw it when Enrique lifted it over his head. On that one, Jeran asked him to raise it and lower it a few times, and it would appear when Enrique raised it and vanish when he lowered it. That was the "gasp" moment. Jeran said, "that's interesting." I noted it was the prediction for a round earth. When they repeated the whole procedure, it did not happen again. I suggested having Enrique move from side-to-side a bit when occluded by the panel, in case it was lateral alignment that was off. Jeran accepted the suggestion, but it made no observable difference light.
 


By not taking into account that lunar tides also occur in the Victoria Canal, the experiment was doomed even further.

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Video here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbNaOOVSBpA&t=4869s

So now Jeran Campanella and team mate Bob Knodel of Globebusters need you to donate even more money to FECORE LLC so that they can do more of these quality (not) experiments.  


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It's very interesting that FECORE was mentioned and received awards at the November (Flat Earth International Conference), but they did not become a legal entity until December 7, 2017.


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Mission statement:  "mainstream science is stuck.  Instead of hiring scientists to solve the contradictions in their theories they hire actors to convince us that there are no contradiction"  


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Article here:
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/647-jeranism-jeran-campanella-comedy-of-errors-and-confusion-lead-to-no-useful-results-on-his-flat-earth-curvature-laser-test



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Article is here...
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/642-flat-earth-not-new-research-romy-equipment-senses-the-earth-s-rotation

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It's just mathematics.  On a flat Earth with the Sun only 3,000 miles above the surface, the Sun NEVER SETS below the horizon.

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Distance are to scale.

On a flat earth, where the sun supposedly sets due to perspective, as the sun’s angle of elevation decreases, concurrent distance increases exponentially. 

To see the sun 10o above the horizon, and observer would have to be 17,000 miles away. 
To see it 5o above the horizon he would have to be over 34,000 miles away. 
To see the sun 1o above the horizon, he would be 172,000 miles away. 
This is why the sun would never appear to set on a flat earth.
 

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Exact same article here...
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/783-flat-earth-not-it-s-just-mathematics-on-a-flat-earth-with-the-sun-only-3-000-miles-above-the-surface-the-sun-never-sets-below-the-horizon


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Model rocket engine in a vacuum ignites and produces forward thrust.

Many flat Earth advocates don't understand Newton's third law (for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction) and mistakenly insist that with nothing to push against in a vacuum, a rocket will not move.  But as this video shows, THEY ARE WRONG.

The ignited engine pushes the holding spring forward.
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Here are the vacuum level readings...   


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Complete video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxBRQXxBRic

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Today 34 countries have space programs.  Ask a flat Earth friend if they are all dominated by the Free Masons, and if their millions of photos of the Earth from space are all fake - cgi.  If they say yes, then ask for photo analysis forensic proof.  


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Here is the complete list:
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/628-flat-earth-are-all-34-national-space-agencies-of-the-world-controlled-by-the-free-masons-and-all-produce-fake-cgi-media

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Against the Grain - Igor Kostelac - a staunch NIBIRU and flat Earth supporter, has this to say to folks who claim that the Earth is a globe...


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Here is a nice video that explains clearly what is known about this conspirators planet / dwarf star...

"There is no credible evidence whatever for the existence of Nibiru,” Dr. David Morrison, a scientist with NASA, said to the U.K.’s Daily Express. “There are no pictures, no tracking, no astronomical observations.”

Morrison adds that there’s proof positive that Nibiru does not exist and is not a threat to Earth.

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2017/11/17/scientists-debunk-prediction-incoming-earth-destroying-planet.html

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More nasty emails sent to us...

From: Kevin Kleveter, N. Morningside St, Orange CA 92867


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We then pointed out (our comment is in black) our open discussion page, and he said nothing else about that afterwards...


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Awake Souls (Jason Laufenberg) has declared on October 21, 2017 - "we will prove that Earth is a flat plane once and for all time". 

Update - December 1, 2017

(Awake Souls) Jason Laufenberg and (Event Skeptic) Ronnie Harris announced that going forward they will no longer be making flat Earth videos. They claim that the current AE (Azimuthal Equidistant) flat Earth map does not represent reality, and those of the mainstream flat Earth group are just shills, leading the movement in the wrong direction. 

Jason and Ronnie have posted a number of videos debunking and calling out as shills:
 

They accuse these folks of not being real TRUTHER's, and are promoting a wrong version of the flat Earth
* Response to the accusation that the anti-AE map/model flat earth researchers are shills
* The FAKE flat earth debate does not go through Frary, Weiss, Campanella, Nesbit SHILLS EXPOSED!
* FAKE flat earth debate Bro Sanchez vs Flat Earth Asshole, setup to fail? Christians for weed?
* Eric Dubay and Del (Beyond the imaginary curve) GAME OVER
* Nathan Oakley Flat Earth Debate 4 and FEA response to Math Boylan
* Flat Earth SHILLS current affairs: Mark Sargent EXPOSED! ODD leaves convention! MG TV taken down
* Jeranism, flat earth, shill, exposed, by Awake Souls
* MrThriveandSurvive, flat earth, shill, exposed, by Awake Souls

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Update: November 30, 2017    
Another broken promise by Jason Laufenberg, as he abandons plans for his globe Earth shattering test. 

Jason claims that the test was cancelled because not enough monetary donations were made by his deadline date (November 11, 2017).  That being the case, when we asked how much money his goal was he deleted our question and did not answer. 

He did collect $1,154.55 in donations from the following supporters; Flat Earth Photography, Enslaved By Media, Now Ja and Peter.

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So now do we wait until next year?


November 26, 2017 update:

We asked the following question to Jason Laugenberg, "11/19/2017 - So it's been 4-weeks now. Let's see the results of this test please." 

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October 21, 2017:

Yet over the past hundreds of years no one has successfully done that.


Setting himself up for another failure, after saying goodbye to his friends and family expecting to be taken up to heaven during the August 21st 2017 end-of-times Christian rapture event.  

Jason Bio: 
Carpenter by trade, and very proud of the fact that he never went to college (was not indoctrinated so he says).  Yet because of never being exposed to physics and astronomy, has no basic understand of how the universe really functions.  The result is that fictitious ideas are self-generated and taken as truth, but when compared to reality they are not.

Being a Truther is one thing, but throwing out only specific subsets of science simply because it conflicts with your personal philosophy, offers a disservice to yourself and all those that you come in contact with. 
 


   

  
Jason proposes (has not yet done it) going to a local beach and planting 5-foot posts into the sand every mile, and then checking for curvature.  He said, "we will start with 3-miles.  Once people see that 3-miles is perfectly flat, if they want to check 10-miles, or 100-miles, we can do that next."

But after that statement we pointed out that he has set himself up for failure, by ONLY commiting to do 3-miles.  No curvature will be seen at 3-miles. 

We gave him the following good testing advice:
5.6 miles is the correct distance. 
You are kidding yourself at 3-miles and need to do some calculations before you start. 
Paint the top few feet of each post a different color. 
Criteria - the very top of every post should be exactly 5-feet above the sand. 
Criteria - the observational instrument at the starting line should be exactly 5-feet above the sand Criteria - how are going to measure line-of-sight distance from the starting line to the next observed post? 
A wooden post at 5.6 miles away from the starting point will be completely hidden by the earth's curvature. Any measurement shorter than that will be hard to accurately make, and will be inconclusive. Do 5.6 miles! 
- If your eye is 5 feet above the sand, an object at distance 3-miles will only drop 0.55-inches due to curvature. You will never notice that. 
- If your eye is 5 feet above the sand, an object at distance 4-miles will only drop 1.06 feet due to curvature. How do you plan to see or confirm the 1.06 feet drop? A lot less than the post height. That is a downward change of 0.018 degrees from a straight horizontal. You will not notice that. 
- If your eye is 5 feet above the sand, an object at distance 5-miles will only drop 3.41 feet due to curvature. Still not far enough away from the starting line to lose sight of the wooden post. 
* Here is the distance that you need to check to verify curvature. 
Anything less that 5.6 miles is a failure
If your eye is 5 feet above the sand, an object at distance 5.5-miles will only drop 5.06 feet due to curvature 
That is enough to completely hide the 5-foot post, if it was set properly. 
Document your measurements well and present to us when finished.

He then deleting our comment so that none of his subscribers would see them.

We will update you, our readers, in the weeks to come as to Jason's test results.

Full article is here:
Awake Souls (Jason Laufenberg) - already deceiving people even before his 3-miles beach curvature test
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/627-awake-souls-jason-laufenberg-already-deceiving-people-even-before-his-3-miles-beach-curvature-test

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Flat Earth News (1800 - 1966) Samuel Shenton and others
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/616-samuel-shenton-secretary-of-the-flat-earth-research-society-his-beliefs-and-convictions 

The very same flat Earth arguments used today (gravity is not real, there is no curvature, etc.) has been used for the last 200+ years, and still to no avail. No proof - positive that the Earth is flat has ever been presented.


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The Evening Post, February 8, 1902

So before it was discovered that radio waves bounce off the atmosphere's ionosphere layer, flat Earth folks insisted that Marconi's wireless communication proved that the Earth was flat. 


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Illustrated London News, July 18, 1931...

The Earth's Curvature Shown By Aerial Photography

Photographs by Capt. Albert W. Stevens, Diagram by Albert H. Bumstead, Copywrite N.G.S. Reproduced by Special Permission from the "National Geographic Magazine."

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Moon and planet-rise, seen from space
With Venus and Mars gearing up for their October 5, 2017 close conjunction before dawn, the European Space Agency (ESA) just released this timelapse video. Astronaut Paolo Nespoli (@astro_paolo on Twitter) shot it from the International Space Station (ISS) on September 18. It shows the moon rising above the Earth’s horizon together with Mercury, Mars, the star Regulus, and Venus. Be sure to watch to the end of the video, when the sun rises.

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http://earthsky.org/space/video-iss-moon-planets-rising-sep-2017


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Capturing the ISS (International Space Station) with the Nikon P900 as it crosses the face of the Sun

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Story and his link here...
Capturing the ISS (International Space Station) with the Nikon P900 as it crosses the face of the Sun 
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/618-capturing-the-iss-international-space-station-with-the-nikon-p900-as-it-crosses-the-face-of-the-sun

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It's not just the Moon's Tides anymore...
The newest most sensitive seismic instruments (NSLN-II) at Brookhaven National Laboratory can now measure earth crust movement due to the Moon's gravitational orbital attraction (i.e., the tides) on the Earth.

The moon is a harsh mistress—gravitational impacts on NSLS-II
October 19, 2017 by Stephanie Kossman 

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Night and day, as the moon orbits around earth and the earth around the sun, the gravitational forces of these celestial bodies pull on the earth. This pulling force is what causes the earth's sea levels to rise and fall, a phenomenon we call the "tides." But did you know that land, too, experiences a tide?

Read more here..
Flat Earth conspiracy talking point destroyed - It's not just the Moons Tides anymore - Now Earth's crust movement has been measured 
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/617-flat-earth-conspiracy-talking-point-destroyed-it-s-not-just-the-tides-anymore-moon-s-gravitational-pull-on-the-earth-that-changes-due-to-it-orbital-distance-variation-causes-slight-movement-in-the-earth-s-crust-has-now-been-measured


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If the Moon is just a LIGHT as claimed by flat Earth proponents, then why is it 6-times brighter when full, then when 1/2 full? 

It should only be 2x (twice) as bright as the 1/2 moon shown below, but it's not.  It's 6-times brighter.  WHY?


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   Sunlight on crater Plato cast shadows, highlighting the craters rugged mountainous rim...  

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   Spectral analysis of the Moon's light shows that it is the same as Sun light.  Therefore, Moon light is really just reflected Sun light... 


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Full Moon is about six times brighter than the quarter (half-illuminated) Moon
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-news/how-bright-moon-exactly/


Read more here..
Flat Earth – If the Moon is just a LIGHT, why is it 6-times brighter when FULL then when ½ full?  And why the shadows? 
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/624-flat-earth-if-the-moon-is-just-a-light-why-it-6-times-brighter-when-full-then-when-1-2-full-and-why-the-shadows

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What do some flat Earth people backup their argument with?


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Ms. Patricia Steere...


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The guy below says...

Gravity – it’s powerful enough to hold the water in the oceans but not powerful enough to squish you against the Earth.  The gravitational pull of the Moon at 250,000 miles away can move the ocean waters but it can’t suck the satellites out of the sky.  Okay.  This is the crazy crap that you believe because some Freemason said gravity and it’s magical, and it’s not proven. 


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Mr. Jaren Campenella - channel Jeranism...


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Mr. Eric Michaels, pen name is Eric Dubay...


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Jonathan Christopulos, channel TheMorgile, bashing NASA...


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Read more here...
Flat Earth 2017 - what flat Earther's believe, in their own words
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/625-flat-earth-2017-what-is-it-that-they-believe 

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The latest flat Earth FANTASY map from Antonio Subirats...


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Update on October 4, 2017

Antonio Subirats was invited to observe an occultation of Neptune's Moon Triton to help answer his questions about Moon transparency (which he seems to have a major issue with).  

Instead, he chose not to find out first hand for himself what the reality is by observing it, and he also deleted the invitational comment so his channel subscribers would never see it.   

+Antonio Subirats, you always profess that our Moon is transparent. Well then, what about other planetary moons in the solar system? 
On the night of October 5th by using a small 4-inch telescope in the UK, you will be able to observe Neptune's Moon Triton occulting a star. Here is the information for you, if you have the courage to watch it yourself. Observing the occultation will provide evidence that: 
1) Neptune's Moon Triton is not transparent. And if so, then why would our Moon be any different (transparent)? 
2) Neptune is closer to us than the background stars. Triton Occultation - 2017 October 5
https://hubble.mit.edu/prediction.html 

Neptune’s Moon Triton to Occult Star
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-news/observing-news/neptunes-moon-triton-occult-star/ 

Let us know what you observe. OK?
 

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The Sun's crepuscular rays flat Earth interpretation - is Bollocks

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The reality is that the sunbeams are all PARALLEL to each other.  Just like the rows of parallel flowers in the picture below...


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Crepuscular rays
, more commonly known as sunbeams, in atmospheric optics, are rays of sunlight that appear to radiate from the point in the sky where the sun is located. These rays, which stream through gaps in clouds (particularly stratocumulus) or between other objects, are columns of sunlit air separated by darker cloud-shadowed regions.
Despite seeming to converge at a point, the rays are in fact near-parallel shafts of sunlight.  

Article:
How to see anticrepuscular rays, by Deborah Byrd in Earth | Human World
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/612-how-to-see-anticrepuscular-rays-by-deborah-byrd-in-earth-human-world


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No satellites in Space?  What Nonsense. 

Here is the ISS passing over Puget Sound, Washington, as photographed by John Nelson

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I receive notifications from the NASA SpotTheStation website when the ISS will be passing overhead. Tonight was a very high pass at 78 degrees maximum height from west-northwest to east-southeast. Being that high meant it would be about the best photographic opportunity I was likely to get.

We had a beautiful clear night. Ideal conditions.

The ISS moves at 7.7 km/sec. It’s relatively easy to manually track but focusing can be tricky. On this night, it was the brightest object in the sky by far … for the three minutes that it was visible.

Nikon D810, Sigma 150-600mm lens with Sigma 1.4x teleconverter mounted on a gimbled tripod.

EXIF: 1/2000sec, F/9, ISO 1000

RAW images processed in light room to export as jpeg. Minor tweaks to lighting to bring out background stars

Thank you, John!

Article here...
ISS photo captured with Nikon D810 camera 
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/621-iss-photo-captured-with-nikon-d810-camera


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Flat Earth Conspiracy (Lori Frary), Max Malone, waykiwayki (Mark Knight), Flat Earth Warrior, Flat Earth Samurai, ThePottersClay, groovANDsooth, Flat Earth Banjo, Enslaved By Media, ROTR, and a host of other flat Earth advocates deliberately post out-of-focus pictures of planets & stars to deceive unsuspecting people...  

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But the planet Venus exhibits phases as does our Moon, and really looks like this...


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And the out-of-focus star Sirius...

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While Sirius the "dog star" really looks like this...


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Article:
Amateur astronomers with backyard telescopes reveal what is really in the night sky - contrary to what flat Earth advocates say - Lori Frary _ Max Malone _ waykiwayki Mark Knight _ Flat Earth Warrior _ FlatEarthSamurai _ ThePottersClay _ groovANDsooth_Flat Earth Banjo
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/606-amateur-astronomers-with-backyard-telescopes-reveal-what-is-really-in-the-night-sky-contrary-to-what-flat-earth-advocates-say


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jeranism (Jeran Campanella), a former drug store manager with no science training, describes globe Earth realists as...

"If you continue to follow them you can expect further enslavement by an elite group of pedophiles, Satanists, inbreeds, Zionists, users pushing baby eating demons."


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The following closed caption's are Jeran's own words...

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References:

Non-composite images of the Earth from space
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/493-non-composite-images-of-the-earth-from-space

Bonneville Salt Flats prove curvature of the Earth.  Take a drive to Utah and see for yourself!
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/302-bonneville-salt-flats-prove-curvature-of-the-earth

Page 2 of FlatEarthLunacy:
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/755-articles-for-reference


Thanks, JonahTheScientist

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