Wellness81 - caught deleting video comments that expose flat Earth as a delusion - denies gravity and physics
Dear Readers,
Wellness81 is an individual that denies the validity of scientific knowledge, yet refuses to experiment for himself to find out what is real AND what is not.
This is a classic case of denialism - an essentially irrational action that withholds the validation of a historical experience or event, when a person refuses to accept an empirically verifiable reality.
In the comment thread below he opposes physics by expressing personal OPINION. Yet when we proposed a simple experiment for him to do that would clarify gravity to be a real force (or not), he deleted that comment.
Published on - January 19, 2018
Discussion at - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7ipUKERU0tzYFxALJBli4A/discussion
Video at - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BXrCOaOMHg
Our home page all articles - http://flatearthlunacy.com
kind regards, JonahTheScientist
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He left the entire comment stream EXCEPT this last post of ours - which he deleted
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Here is the entire comment thread:
JonahTheScientist
Your guarantee is worthless.
Wellness81
Show me an ability for anyone, anywhere to see anything (measurable) from even 500 miles away. They literally have you thinking that there is no up or down.
JonahTheScientist
+Wellness81, well what about the Sun? Is that up or down? The flat Earth Society says it's 3,000 miles away - 6 times further than what you are looking for. What say you?
Wellness81
Jonah TheScientiist well if an airplane in the sky is up (when you are standing on the ground), then yes the sun is up. The balloon is rising up, not down. Rather simple concept there...
The 3,000 mile figure seems large to me, but its certainly much more realistic than 100 million.
If we first consider the farthest we can actually verifiably see something, its probably a couple hundred miles. Maybe a mountain, or cloud or lighthouse or skyscraper, i dont know. But lets be generous and say 500 miles is our max....
So the celestial lights are more mysterious, of course, and are definitely higher up than the low area of the sky that we sometimes occupy, we can tell that much. So it's reasonable then to consider the possibility that they could be farther than something else we might be able to see thats closer to the ground; maybe they are farther than our few hundred mile sight ability down here...but also maybe not.
But the idea of even millions let alone 93 million, or billions, trillions and quadrillions of miles as per the stars (way bigger than the sun lol) is beyond insulting to our common sense...and we don't just consider it a possibility, we accept it as fact.
Its actually quite hilarious....of course the ground is spinning, the tv says it is!!
Luke Matheson
+Wellness81, Up is motion away from a bodies center of gravity, while Down is motion toward a bodies center of gravity. Other than with reference to gravity, up and down have no meaning.
Wellness81
lol sounds good on paper. too bad there is no basis in reality for what you say.
Luke Matheson
++Wellness81, it's all based on real world reality. Just because you are in denial and don't believe it, that does not make it so. The universe operates as it does, and cares not about your opinion.
Wellness81
like hell it is. the idea that all the people, cars, rocks, water etc are attracted to the mass of the earth, rather than simply being heavier and more dense than the air, therefore causing them to rest "down" on the surface of the earth, its purely theoretical.
why do you suppose gravity cannot be tested or measured on any other scale.
and how does a little bit of helium in a balloon escape the pull of gravity which is holding billions of tons of water in place around the surface of a sphere?
Quail Jefferson
Since you accept the concept of weight and mass, that means you have accepted that gravity is real.. Formula W = mg, where W is the weight, m the mass of the object, and g gravitational acceleration.
Wellness81
nonsense - the claim of putting the formula in those terms is that the acceleration is due to the "attraction force" of the giant mass beneath our feet, but it is more simply explained by the weight of the object falling (down) through whatever medium it is suspended in.
the force of the weight is all you need.
and even if we could measure a downward (or inward, for you folks who dont believe in "up & down" and therefore you also dont believe in "level") force that was pulling us in, it would not in any way, shape or form indicate or suggest that the land and seas formed a sphere.
funny how that gravitational acceleration varies so greatly depending on the densities of the object and medium in question.
Quail Jefferson
+Wellness81, without the presence of gravity, there is no force of weight. I suggest that you go to your local high school and tell this to a science teacher. Any of the millions of science teachers around the world. Then let us know what he/she tell you. OK?
Wellness81
see that is whats theoretical yet accepted as fact.
i dont care what they tell me from the books, i care what they can show me....which is demonstrations and measurements of WEIGHT, DENSITY, ELECTRICITY, MAGNETISM, CHEMICAL REACTIONS, you know, real and verifiable forces that they actually teach with....down here on the (large and level based) ground lol.
Quail Jefferson
+Wellness81, then the following is ideal for you. Do it, and then tell us your results. An easy experiment that you can do - that proves the Earth is a round rotating globe http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/295-how-much-you-weigh-depends-upon-where-you-are-on-the-earth-because-it-s-a-rotating-sphere
Wellness81
lol that NOWHERE NEAR proves globular oceans theory.
all it does is suggest measured weight can vary based on various environmental factors which probably consists mainly of the pressure of the "atmosphere" or air/gasses around you.
what are the odds your weight variance is directly correlated with barometric pressure?
and there may be other factors at play, but the differences there are negligible in terms of the ground moving at around 1000 mph around the equator and next to nothing at the "poles"
Quail Jefferson
+Wellness81, you are just talking in circles. So now answer with a clear YES or NO. Is the Sun an example of seeing something more than 500 miles away?
- - - Your original statement was, "show me an ability for anyone, anywhere to see anything (measurable) from even 500 miles away."
A response was = "well what about the Sun? Is that up or down? The flat Earth Society says it's 3,000 miles away - 6 times further than what you are looking for. What say you?
Wellness81
Quail Jefferson then you must be talking in spheres.
My point was that if we have no examples of being able to see an object or light from more than a couple hundred miles away, to then make the leap and accept that the sun is almost 100 million miles when we can see it clearly in the sky, is ludicrous.
I admit i dont know exactly how far away it is. Just like if i see a plane in the sky, i dont know how far away it is, but i have some idea based on actual experience and depth perception. I cousin at very least narrow the range to say 1-10 miles, depending on the circumstance. I would never believe it was 10,000 miles away...
So id bet anything it's between 5 and 25,000 miles which is a big range but im being extremely safe on both ends and its still a microcosm of the supposed factual distance.
My best guess is 75-150 miles but who knows....
Send a drone up there and we can rule out my theory in a hour. Too bad these clown agencies would never dream of such a test.
Quail Jefferson
+Wellness81, since you made the following statement... "I admit i dont know exactly how far away it (the Sun) is" Then by simple logic association, you have no right to claim... "Show me an ability for anyone, anywhere to see anything (measurable) from even 500 miles away.
Wellness81
Quail Jefferson im saying any examples other than the possible example of celestial lights. Im leaving those open to the possibility, of course....im talking about any "earthly" example of the longest distances we can verify sight over such as a mountain from an airplane or something along those lines...
This is our REALISTIC BASIS for determining how far we have an ability to actually see.
So if its a few hundred miles in our farthest "earthly" ability example, its a bit of a stretch to say its a fact that the CLOSEST twinkling light in the night sky is 25,000,000,000,000 miles away - dont you think?
Quail Jefferson
Fact check 1: You FAIL Your statement, "Show me an ability for anyone, anywhere to see anything (measurable) from even 500 miles away." My answer - the International Space Station orbiting at a height of 254-miles (1,340,000 - feet) above the Earth can view cities and mountains and oceans on the Earth up to 1440 miles away. That is far in excess of your 500-mile request. Use this calculator - http://www.ringbell.co.uk/info/hdist.htm
Quail Jefferson
Fact check 2: You FAIL Your statement, "The 3,000 mile figure (height of the flat Earth Sun) seems large to me, but its certainly much more realistic than 100 million. My answer - is just an opinion of yours. Opinion is not fact. If you were an astronomer there would be no hesitation to talk about distances of millions and billions of miles as realistic. You are living a sheltered uneducated life. My answer - With that opinion you have violated your primary directive, of not to believe anything unless you can personally verify it.
Wellness81
Quail Jefferson haha talk about fail...
First of all the 500 mile maximum was just an estimate, you are hung up on it as if im stating it as precise fact...
I was not aware that the ability to see over 1,000 miles exists at those altitudes, however if it indeed does, it immediately destroys the idea of ground curvature as anything remotely close to that kind of distance should be WELL hidden by the ground curving down and away, which is what you believe...so thanks for helping to establish the (already obvious) lack of curvature.
And it still changes NOTHING about my point. It would simply mean that we have demonstrated we have an ability to see 1,000+ miles under the right conditions, so it then opens up the possibility that the celestial lights COULD be in that vicinity, or even perhaps somewhat farther...
Its still nowhere even close to establishing any reasonable logic that we could see for MILLIONS of miles and beyond...its magnitudes farther than anything you can refer to...
And astronomers are just reciting what they have learned. The same way anyone recites the sun being 93 million miles away. Its not as if they are doing any measurements to calculate real distances from the ground to those lights. Its just repeating what they were told.
Now go away and go construct a working model of any size land or body of water mass that isnt based on flat and level.
Quail Jefferson
Fact check 3: You FAIL
Your statement, "the force of the weight is all you need.
My answer - the force of weight that you mention, is the force of gravity on that object.
The following is the correct way to describe gravity. If you choose to not believe it, than that is your mental illusionary problem.
Formula W = mg, where W is the weight, m the mass of the object, and g gravitational acceleration.
My answer - buoyancy is also dependent upon gravity...
buoyant force = (density of liquid) * (gravitational acceleration) * (volume of liquid)
Luke Matheson
Fact check 4: You FAIL When it comes to sources of light, the visibility limiting factor is distance AND also intrinsic BRIGHTNESS. So if an object is bright enough, no matter the distance, it still can be seen.
For example, when walking away from a 40 watt light bulb and 100 watt light bulb, they both becomes dimmer. But eventually the 40 watt bulb will disappear from view while the 100 watt bulb is still seen. Travel even further away and both bulbs will disappear from sight.
The brightness of a light source decreases based on the square of the distance. Double the distance and the light source is 1 /4 dimmer. That is called the inverse square law of light.
"The farthest star we can see with our naked eye is V762 Cassiopeia at 16,308 light-years away. Its brightness is magnitude 5.8 or just above the 6th magnitude limit."
16,308 light-years = 95,868,600,000,000,000 miles
The brightest star in the sky is Sirius A = 8.6 light-years = 50,560,000,000,000 miles. Sirius A is brighter to us only because it is closer than V762 Cassiopeia
So get educated and stop spreading your IGNORANT NONSENSE
Your statement FAIL = "So if its a few hundred miles in our farthest "earthly" ability example, its a bit of a stretch to say its a fact that the CLOSEST twinkling light in the night sky is 25,000,000,000,000 miles away - dont you think?"
JonahTheScientist
+Wellness81,
So in all the posts above you presented personal opinion and logical speculation, but zero evidence of any kind as real backup.
This is your last opportunity (before you get written up at FlatEarthLunacy dot com) to show everyone that you have real objective verifiable experimental evidence to prove your points.
For example, did you measure how/if a 500-gram standard block changes weight based upon temperature & humidity? Show all now.
kind regard, JonahTheScientist
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Update March 2019
Chris Hadfield 18-minute uncut video from the ISS talking to grade 10 class
Zero Gravity on the ISS (International Space Station) proven once again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUIa685ETgo
"Aboard the International Space Station, Expedition 35 Commander Chris Hadfield of the Canadian Space Agency fielded questions about life and research on the orbital laboratory during an in-flight educational event April 16 2013, with students gathered at Lockview High School in Fall River, Nova Scotia. Hadfield, who is the first Canadian to command the station, is scheduled to return to Earth in mid-May after a five-month mission."
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On a zero gravity plane flight, a single dive lasts only for about 30-seconds. So that video above is a genuine ISS demonstration.
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