David Weiss - caught cherry picking his comments at DITRH to make himself look better, and does not know math
Dear Readers,
A discussion is one thing, but when David Weiss deletes selected comments to make himself look better in the eyes of the public, that means he has willfully committed fraud to hide information from his YouTube channel visitors and subscribers.
What did David Weiss DITHR hide from your view?
Of the 17 comments left on this video thread started by JonahTheScientist, only 13 are still public. Four were selectively deleted out by David Weiss.
His video claims, because the Earth is flat, north is in the center, south is any direction away from the center. A compass and a magnet proves this. Try it. The heavens spin over the flat Earth plane.
Fact check:
Any direction moving away from the north pole is either south east, south, or south west. So technically, south is not ANY DIRECTION away from the center as claimed.
For a compass to work, there must be both a north pole and a south pole - two specific unique locations. Since the flat Earth does not have a unique south pole, in fact it's everywhere along the 24,901-mile circumference perimeter = no magnetic field is possible.
The Earth rotates, so the stars above us rise in the east and set in the west. The heavens are not spinning above as claimed by DITRH. Let's not regress back to the time of Hipparchus and Ptolemy using "epicycles" to explain the retrograde (forward, backward, and then forward again) motion of the outer planets (Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, etc.)
With a small pair of binoculars everyone can see the four moons of Jupiter circling in orbit around its parent planet, and colorful surface features change directions with time as Jupiter rotates.
Sunspots highlight how the Sun rotates.
Except for small asteroids and comets that tumble thru space, all larger bodies rotate.
On a globe Earth every location (latitude and longitude point) is on a great circle. That means you can head off in a direction, travel all the way around the globe, and eventually come back to the exact same spot.
The great-circle distance or orthodromic distance is the shortest distance between two points on the surface of a sphere, measured along the surface of the sphere (as opposed to a straight line through the sphere's interior). ... The two points separate the great circle into two arcs.
In navigation, a rhumb line (or loxodrome) is a line crossing all meridians of longitude at the same angle, i.e. a path derived from a defined initial bearing. That is, upon taking an initial bearing, one proceeds along the same bearing, without changing the direction as measured relative to true north.
There are no great circles on a flat Earth.
On a flat Earth, you must continuously turn northward as you travel, if you want to go around the world and come back to the same location.
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Jonah TheScientist said,
Notice that the plane needs to continue to bank right (toward the north) in order to maintain a due East direction. On a globe Earth that is not necessary. So Mr. Weiss, why you spreading your delusion when it's WRONG?
Note: below we corrected that to West
David Weiss deleted our comment where we informed his visitors that there is such a thing as a Gyrocompass. It is not magnetic, and always locates any direction (north, east, south or west). It works based on the fact that the Earth rotates (something that flat Earth advocates do not believe in).
More info here on it...
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/807-flat-earth-not
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DITRH said,
Sorry Jonah TheScientist, you are the one blinded by your magical ball. The truth is that if we lived on your impossiball pilots and ships captains WOULD still need to bank to the right in the Northern latitudes and to the South in the Southern latitudes. The only place they would not need to do that is if they were exactly on the equator. The problem is that ship captains traveling in the South have noted that they need to correct to the North which disproves the magical spinning globe. I can prove this with a simple thought experiment which I am not sure you have the ability to do but will explain so anyone following this thread that believes your bullshit will be enlightened to your nonsense. On your ball, place yourself 100 miles from the magnetic North pole and head 90 or 270 degrees East or West. To maintain this course you will need to keep the North needle of your compass pointing North and follow your heading of 90 or 270 and maintain your 100 mile distance from magnetic North. . 314 miles later you you will have returned to where you started BECAUSE you corrected your course to the North to maintain your East or West heading and made a big circle. You can keep extending the distance and you will still have to correct to the north but less severe the farther out you go. Jonah TheScientist go shill elsewhere, you are not respected here.
a flat Earth circumference round trip is ...
On our globe Earth, where A - B is the North Pole, if curve C - B is 100-miles as described in the example by David Weiss above, then radius C - D based on a spherical trigonometry radius of = 99.88553041 miles.
a globe Earth circumference round trip is 627.6 miles...
So your stated 314-miles in wrong !!!
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Jonah TheScientist said,
+DITRH, since you missed the point, let me rephrase it this way... On a flat Earth, start at any location (say New York City) take off in a plane toward the east (90-degrees). Then immediately abandon your compass, and just continue to fly in a straight line. You will eventually hit your outer Antarctic wall and then fly off the map.
But if you do the same on a globe Earth, you complete a "great circle" (while traveling thru various latitudes and longitudes) and come back to the same place as the start -> New York City. Can't do that on a flat map. Get that? kind regards,
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DITRH said,
Jonah TheScientist You couldn't be any more wrong. If you abandon your compass and GPS you will fly away from the center and never return. On a globe you cant make a great circle at a heading of 90 or 270 unless you are exactly on the equator. This is an undeniable fact. Get a globe and start in lets say NYC and draw a great circle with a heading off 90 or 270 and I will delete my channel.
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Jonah TheScientist said,
+DITRH, so it's time for you now to hit the DELETE key, since you made the mistake of specifying "a heading of 90 or 270" instead of saying "a heading due east or west by the compass."
You are correct in that the equator is the only great circle on the globe earth that is by the compass, East and West.
No other latitude line is a great circle. But that is not what you said.
I can go to the center on New York City and leave at any 90-degree bearing. That qualifies as a great circle.
A great circle is defined as any circle drawn on a globe (or another sphere) with a center that includes the center of the globe.
Every point on the sphere can be associated with a great circle, because:
A great circle divides the surface of a sphere in two equal parts
A great circle is the largest circle that fits on the sphere If you keep going straight across a sphere, then you go along a great circle
A great circle has the same center C as the sphere that it lies on (the middle of the round Earth, not a particular city or lat/long location)
The shortest route between two points, measured across the sphere, is part of a great circle
A great circle CAN BE DRAWN thru New York City or any other location on our globe Earth. New York City has Latitude, Longitude = 40.712775, -74.005973 and globe earth opposite point at Antipode = -40.712775, 105.994027
OK? So when are you going to delete you channel? kind regards,
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Jonah TheScientist said,
+DITRH, your statement, "If you abandon your compass and GPS you will fly away from the center and never return" MAKES NO SENSE ON A GLOBE EARTH. The center of the globe Earth is its core - 3959 miles downward from any location. As on your flat map, there is no city or lat/long that is the center of the globe Earth. Based on history we have adopted the Greenwich meridian as the zero, but that is only a convention. kind regards,
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Jonah TheScientist said,
+DITRH, on a globe Earth I can use a gyrocompass for direction. The gyrocompass does not work on flat. Gyrocompass - a navigational instrument which makes use of a continuously driven gyroscope to accurately seek the direction of true (geographic) north. It operates by seeking an equilibrium direction under the combined effects of the force of gravity and the daily rotation of the Earth. As such, it is immune to magnetic interferences such as those caused by ore deposits, steel structures, or electric circuits. It is not a magnetic compass.
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DITRH said,
Jonah TheScientist So now you get that you can't go East or West and make a great circle unless you are on the equator. Yes you can leave NYC and head West and make a great circle if we lived on a globe but we don't. If you head west and abandoned your compass and GPS in no time you would be going mostly south and never return. East and West are circles weather you are on a globe or flat earth. You were 100% wrong and now you are trying to make up more bullshit.
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Emad A.E. said,
No one will head south when flying east in a straight line after ignoring all navigational devices and never touching the steering system anymore! That person will keep heading east forever circling around the globe. In a matter of fact, once you set a direction and keep going straight never turning a bit you will continue heading that direction. Give me an example of a flight that ended up south when headed east or west or north or any other direction other than south without any further adjustment (you know on your flat earth map, heading a straight line towards any direction will end up going south "the ice wall").
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DITRH said,
Emad A.E That ONLY works when you are on the equator. Everywhere else East and West need to circle. Take a basketball and put the valve it the top, the north pole. Now get a marker and put it at the equator and draw a line all the way around holding the pen at a 90 degree angle to the surface of the ball. Works perfectly and you maintain an east or west path equidistant from the north pole. Now try it half way up towards the north pole. Keep the pen straight up and equidistant from the north pole. You are making a circle. Dont be like Jonah TheScientist and be blinded by the ball.
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Emad A.E. said,
So what?! All flights in one direction are circles! Give me one flight that headed in one direction other than south then ended up in the south (the ice wall of your flat earth). More amazingly that went outside that boundary and never returned! LOL
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DITRH said,
Nobody flys without using a compass or GPS so your request isn't answerable. However ships captains have reported that they always need to correct to the north to maintain a heading of 90 or 270. That tells you that if they didnt keep correcting they would end up going south. How about you list one flight that went south and returned to the north without turning around?
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Emad A.E. said,
So you say it's garanteed in reality that if someone ignores his/her navigational devices and keep heading straight forward without steering an inch he/she will end up heading south yet no incident happened nor out of curiosity this was discovered by any flight in history! Check this out for the pole to pole flight (Pole Cat 1965): " The flight departed Honolulu and flew north to the North Pole, from there south to London Heathrow, where they stopped for fuel. Due to runway takeoff weight restrictions they had to make an extra fuel stop at Lisbon, Portugal before flying to Buenos Aires, Argentina. After a fuel stop at Buenos Aires, Pole Cat continued south, circled the South Pole four times and then headed north to Christchurch, New Zealand. From there, they returned to Honolulu." http://aviationhumor.net/the-flight-from-pole-to-pole/#
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DITRH said,
How do you know it hasn't been done? The fact that you haven't heard it being done does not prove it hasn't. Maybe those MH17 and the other planes did it and thats why they were never found? You can prove both win a flat earth model and a globe model that a staring line heads South in a very short distance. Draw a straight line on a globe from NY east or west and you will see that it goes south after a short distance. DO IT so you can stop denying it being so. Your south pole trek has been completely debunked. This 20 minute video will show you but I'm pretty sure you won't watch it. https://youtu.be/ny-_lThmRqU
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Jonah TheScientist said,
+DITRH, on a globe we can leave New York City at any BEARING / initial direction (say 123-degrees from north), and come back to that same place after completing a great circle. Every location on a globe has it's great circle, one for every bearing direction that can exist.
But on a flat Earth, leave New York City at any bearing (absolute initial direction) and you go into Antarctica and off the map. kind regards,
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Jonah TheScientist said,
Where does your 314-miles come from in your example? Show here your calculation. kind regards,
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