+Flat Bastard, even a flat Earth, when seen from a high enough altitude, will show curvature. No curvature does not prove a flat Earth.
+Flat Bastard, even a flat Earth, when seen from a high enough altitude, will show curvature. No curvature does not prove a flat Earth.
+Luke Matheson <laughing> Quote: "No curvature does not prove a flat Earth." You sir, are correct. It proves there is no curvature. I'll let you extrapolate from there. Quote: "when seen from a high enough altitude, will show curvature. " How high would you have to go to see it?
+Anonymous Guest, it's all very simple mathematics. And math is not influenced by human personal opinion, prejudice, or belief. For every math problem there is an answer. Do the calculations yourself for a sphere, and you will find (if your math is correct) that you need to get higher than 300,000 feet to visually be able to see Earth curvature. Lower than that it's 10% and hard to detect with the human eye. Plus you need a wide 180 degree panoramic field of view. However, the great pictures from the International Space Station at 250-miles elevation CEARLY show Earth curvature.
+Luke Matheson Quote: "However, the great pictures from the International Space Station at 250-miles elevation CEARLY show Earth curvature." Are you serious? You haven't been able to determine that the stuff NASA puts out is fake? You haven't found even one photo or video that you think may be questionable? Nothing? The corollary would be that you believe EVERYTHING that NASA puts out for public consumption. Is this true of you? You made the claim, 300k. Would you like to back that up?
+Anonymous Guest, I have tested about 10 (ISS photos) and about (50 NASA photos) and (40 NASA Moon landing photos) using Photo Forensic high quality digital software, and the resulting analysis algorithms MD5, SHA1 and SHA256 = all indicate that they are pristine (unmodified) originals. How do your test photos?
+Luke Matheson That's great! Would you post your results online? I really think it would help the online community better understand what is "real" and what is "fake". After they've been verified to not be modified would you explain your opinion on the "hair spray" footage. Or perhaps your stance on the wire harnesses? Also, the oddness of no one ever taking a 360 degree camera pan while they're up there goofing off. And, are those bubbles in all those videos? If not, what is your opinion on what you are seeing. I think you didn't answer the question from my previous post. Do you believe EVERYTHING that NASA tells you to be true?
+Luke Matheson Quote: "Then climb 100-feet higher onto the roadway or ledge, and then I see stuff further away that I did not see before." Correct. The higher you are the further you can see. So what? I posted plenty on this thread about perspective, the vanishing point and the horizon.
+Luke Matheson Quote: "any shape that is not a straight line, displays curvature from the correct distance." Vanishing point...lines of perspective. All parallel lines converge. What display of curvature are you referring to? I"m really bad with imagining things. Would you post something online demonstrating what you are talking about?
Seeing "farther from higher" has nothing to do with perspective. It's all curvature. Only when the horizon is established at any height, then curvature and vanishing point apply.
+Luke Matheson Quote: "Seeing "farther from higher" has nothing to do with perspective" Are you being intentionally obtuse? Did you look at the link I posted. The one from art class 101? Perspective changes when you change your position. I can't believe I had to type that. Are you a real man/woman? Ok. AI test. What is 2+two? I just want to make sure you are a breathing being. Just to be clear. You do not believe perspective changes as you change your vantage point. Correct?
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+Luke Matheson You never answered my question from the previous post: Do you believe EVERYTHING NASA tells you?
No. That's why I already mentioned above personal my verification. Did you not read it? +Anonymous Guest, I have tested about 10 (ISS photos) and about (50 NASA photos) and (40 NASA Moon landing photos) using Photo Forensic high quality digital software, and the resulting analysis algorithms MD5, SHA1 and SHA256 = all indicate that they are pristine (unmodified) originals. How do your test photos?
+Anonymous Guest, no please answer for me the question I asked: How DO YOU verify that a picture is real or not?
+Anonymous Guest, "Seeing "farther from higher" has nothing to do with perspective" = Exactly. It has to do with how far away your horizon is, when your standing on a curved surface. On a flat surface, if there are no line-of-sight obstructions, you should ALWAYS be able to see to the edge. But that is not anyone's experience. Perspective has nothing to do with whether we are on a flat or curve, so why bother to bring it up?
As mentioned already above to Anonymous Guest, this is real first hand evidence.. +Anonymous Guest, I have tested about 10 (ISS photos) and about (50 NASA photos) and (40 NASA Moon landing photos) using Photo Forensic high quality digital software, and the resulting analysis algorithms MD5, SHA1 and SHA256 = all indicate that they are pristine (unmodified) originals. How do your test photos?
+Luke Matheson I take everything NASA presents at face value. Then I look at what they present and ask myself "Is this shit for real"? If it doesn't pass my bullshit filter I discard it. Critical thinking skills. Now answer my question: Do you believe EVERTHING that NASA tells you?
+Anonymous Guest, here are some examples that is not a straight line, where curvature exists:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Spheroids.svg/1200px-Spheroids.svg.png
http://www.wikihow.com/images/0/00/Spcl-Design-06a-Skewed-Spheroids.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/98/0b/bc/980bbc1b3a8ae04e05746cfb39b79b99.jpg
http://pad3.whstatic.com/images/thumb/3/34/With-Frame-1-64.jpg/-crop-342-184-184px-With-Frame-1-64.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/52/8d/6c/528d6c1677e6c8de783bf3aec56c45b2.jpg
Any shape that is not a straight line has curvature.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Spheroids.svg/1200px-Spheroids.svg.png
http://www.wikihow.com/images/0/00/Spcl-Design-06a-Skewed-Spheroids.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/98/0b/bc/980bbc1b3a8ae04e05746cfb39b79b99.jpg
http://pad3.whstatic.com/images/thumb/3/34/With-Frame-1-64.jpg/-crop-342-184-184px-With-Frame-1-64.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/52/8d/6c/528d6c1677e6c8de783bf3aec56c45b2.jpg
Any shape that is not a straight line has curvature.
+Anonymous Guest, I guess that your "bullshit meter," which is an emotional reaction, is limited by your lack of reason and education. This applies to you: Several fallacies guide and motivate flat Earth proponents = Personal incredulity - if someone finds a topic or issue difficult to understand, they therefore claim it cannot be true.
+Luke Matheson You didn't verify if you were genuinely breathing. What is 2+two? What film does the character Melvin Udal play in? Yeah, the bullshit meter went off looking at several but the one I like to point out is the bitch with the hair spray! That footage has got to be the best "tell" out of the lot. Do you have some opinion on that particular footage, where you analyzed it to make sure it was authentic? I'm not saying that NASA puts out footage, then afterwards it is altered. I'm saying look at the photos/videos at face value. Scratch your head and ask, "are they really in space"? You never answered my question, third time asking now: Do you believe EVERTYTHING told/shown to you by NASA? Thank you for your arm chair psychological evaluation, but it is irrelevant to the topic.
+Anonymous Guest, Your question, "Do you believe EVERTYTHING told/shown to you by NASA?" My answer = No
+Luke Matheson Great! We have some common ground. I know I have a laundry list of shit I don't believe so how about you share one "fact" they present that you don't? Please keep it in the realm of photos or video footage released by NASA. I find talking about the three body problem, although intellectually stimulating, moot to this topic. What do you think about hair spray chick? Is she really in space?
+Anonymous Guest, so what object criteria do you use to prove that NASA puts out fake stuff? Have you analyzed some of their pics with photo forensic software? List here the URL of a NASA photo that you claim to be fake, and I will test its authenticity. 100 to 1 says you wont give me a URL, because you are full of poprikash. Prove me wrong? * Your statement: Are you serious? You haven't been able to determine that the stuff NASA puts out is fake? You haven't found even one photo or video that you think may be questionable? Nothing?
You made the claim in a previous post that you have personally verified the authenticity of the images. Post your results on youtube so that the greater community may benefit from your efforts.
+Anonymous Guest, OK. I will post some results tomorrow. I have to find them on my computer. But why are you being the fool, and not answering my prior question? Bate and switch, bate and switch, that's all you lairs ever do. So far you have proved you only have an opinion and a big mouth. No data or anything real. If you don't also post your criteria on how you judge NASA photos to be fake by tomorrow, we have the right to call you a liar and fraud.. Question: what object criteria do you use to prove that NASA puts out fake stuff? Have you analyzed some of their pics with photo forensic software? List here the URL of a NASA photo that you claim to be fake, and I will test its authenticity. 100 to 1 says you wont give me a URL, because you are full of poprikash. Prove me wrong?
Luke Matheson I suppose its an intuitive way of seeing. Given your manner of speaking I will attempt to give you an example that may clarify things. Would you have to prove that you have an asshole? How would you go about doing it? What audience would you be catering your evidence to? OR do you simply know that you have an asshole? For me many things are self evident that are not to others. I have a pay schedule: Questions will cost you $10 each. Answers will cost you $20 each. Right answers will cost you $100. Post the link to your results and I'll have a look at them gratis.
+Anonymous Guest, because you have not given us a straight answer to back up your NASA assertions, we now call you FRUAD and LIAR.
Luke Matheson Were you able to prove to yourself that you have an asshole? What techniques or methods did you use? Are you able to understand the concept of "Self evident"? Let me give you another one just in case I triggered your ego. The shortest distance between two points is a line. In geometry something that is GIVEN is not something to be proved. That's why its called a given. Waiting on that link where you show your image analyses "proving" they are authentic.