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Thank you for stopping at FlatEarthLunacy.com  

My journey to debunk flat Earth YouTube channels started 6 years ago.  
As a scientist with college degree in Astronomy, Physics and Mathematics, I was appalled to find folks telling outright lies and presenting bad science to bolster suspicion of our known accepted reality - that the Earth is a beautiful blue globe.

For the first 3 years I left video comments showing solid scientific evidence that flat Earth is fiction.  It's based on personal religious belief and purposeful conspiracy.   There are different personal agendas at play.   During those 3 years’ channels owners deleted my proofs and eventually banned me.  They worked to keep their video comment sections "clean" of any discussion contradictory to what they wanted to present.

Then for the next 2 years I posted my video comment debug proofs on Google plus.  I wanted a forum where I could post - without being deleted by the channels I was debunking.  That worked fine for a while, but eventually I noticed that about half of my articles, even though marked as "public," were not visible because of Google plus' auto spam/editing.

So in April of this year (2017) I decided to start this new blog (FlatEarthLunacy.com) so that none of my work could be deleted anymore.
This blog clearly shows scientific proofs that debunk everything that flat Earth proponents claim.
Here we also expose the comments those YouTube video channels delete, because they don't want you to see them. 

Thanks for visiting.

For the month of January 2018 our readership was up at 4,428 visitors, reading 6,246 pages - the best month yet!

The Earth is not flat.  That claim is a conspiracy theory perpetrated by ignorant people who have ulterior personal motives and agendas. 

The Earth is a beautiful blue spheroid globe spinning on an axis 23.5° once each day, and orbiting the Sun every 365.25 days.

We would appreciate your assistance in finding the true identity (real name and picture) of flat Earth posters, not already identified below.  If you have such information please email to us.  Thank you.    


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Anonymous Guest - no straight answers, delivers insults, and then disappears and does not answer when evidence of his assertions is demanded


Dear Anonymous Guest,

So this is what flat Earth supporters are really about.  Insults and fake news...  Here is you, asking one of our staff members if they can find their asshole...

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After completing this long email thread (see below) it is obvious that you have no proof that NASA distributes fake photos.  You voice opinion, but no evidence.

Nothing that you said indicates that you have actual real knowledge about physics and the world as it is.

Ignorance can only take you so far.  Take a physics and astronomy 101 class at your local community college, so that you don't embarrass yourself further.   
WHy do you continue to reiterate unproven assertions?

There is a phrase 'to go round in circles' which in a speech context would mean to talk a lot, but not achieve anything, or to come back to the point you started from, without being 'any further on'.   This is what you do.  

Almost always it is their own insecurities. People are hypocrites and dislike about themselves what they say they don't like about others. Taunting is a way of bringing others down to their level.

To speak evasively or misleadingly, or to stall or waste time. 

And now, at the end of the conversation, when cornored into finally providing some evidence to back up his claim that NASA photos are all fake, he says nothing and just disappears from the scene...


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Dear readers, here is the entire commentary thread between us and Anonymous Guest... 

 
Find the curvature. Then come talk to me. Until you prove the 8 in per mile squared curvature equation for the earth anywhere LET ME KNOW

+Flat Bastard, even a flat Earth, when seen from a high enough altitude, will show curvature. No curvature does not prove a flat Earth.

+Flat Bastard, even a flat Earth, when seen from a high enough altitude, will show curvature. No curvature does not prove a flat Earth.

+Luke Matheson <laughing> Quote: "No curvature does not prove a flat Earth." You sir, are correct. It proves there is no curvature. I'll let you extrapolate from there. Quote: "when seen from a high enough altitude, will show curvature. " How high would you have to go to see it?

+Anonymous Guest, it's all very simple mathematics. And math is not influenced by human personal opinion, prejudice, or belief. For every math problem there is an answer. Do the calculations yourself for a sphere, and you will find (if your math is correct) that you need to get higher than 300,000 feet to visually be able to see Earth curvature. Lower than that it's 10% and hard to detect with the human eye. Plus you need a wide 180 degree panoramic field of view. However, the great pictures from the International Space Station at 250-miles elevation CEARLY show Earth curvature.

+Luke Matheson Quote: "However, the great pictures from the International Space Station at 250-miles elevation CEARLY show Earth curvature." Are you serious? You haven't been able to determine that the stuff NASA puts out is fake? You haven't found even one photo or video that you think may be questionable? Nothing? The corollary would be that you believe EVERYTHING that NASA puts out for public consumption. Is this true of you? You made the claim, 300k. Would you like to back that up?

+Anonymous Guest, I have tested about 10 (ISS photos) and about (50 NASA photos) and (40 NASA Moon landing photos) using Photo Forensic high quality digital software, and the resulting analysis algorithms MD5, SHA1 and SHA256 = all indicate that they are pristine (unmodified) originals. How do your test photos?

+Luke Matheson That's great! Would you post your results online? I really think it would help the online community better understand what is "real" and what is "fake". After they've been verified to not be modified would you explain your opinion on the "hair spray" footage. Or perhaps your stance on the wire harnesses? Also, the oddness of no one ever taking a 360 degree camera pan while they're up there goofing off. And, are those bubbles in all those videos? If not, what is your opinion on what you are seeing. I think you didn't answer the question from my previous post. Do you believe EVERYTHING that NASA tells you to be true?

+Luke Matheson Quote: "Then climb 100-feet higher onto the roadway or ledge, and then I see stuff further away that I did not see before." Correct. The higher you are the further you can see. So what? I posted plenty on this thread about perspective, the vanishing point and the horizon.

+Luke Matheson Quote: "any shape that is not a straight line, displays curvature from the correct distance." Vanishing point...lines of perspective. All parallel lines converge. What display of curvature are you referring to? I"m really bad with imagining things. Would you post something online demonstrating what you are talking about?

Seeing "farther from higher" has nothing to do with perspective. It's all curvature. Only when the horizon is established at any height, then curvature and vanishing point apply.
 
+Luke Matheson Quote: "Seeing "farther from higher" has nothing to do with perspective" Are you being intentionally obtuse? Did you look at the link I posted. The one from art class 101? Perspective changes when you change your position. I can't believe I had to type that. Are you a real man/woman? Ok. AI test. What is 2+two? I just want to make sure you are a breathing being. Just to be clear. You do not believe perspective changes as you change your vantage point. Correct?

Anonymous Guest 2 months ago
+Luke Matheson You never answered my question from the previous post: Do you believe EVERYTHING NASA tells you?

No. That's why I already mentioned above personal my verification. Did you not read it? +Anonymous Guest, I have tested about 10 (ISS photos) and about (50 NASA photos) and (40 NASA Moon landing photos) using Photo Forensic high quality digital software, and the resulting analysis algorithms MD5, SHA1 and SHA256 = all indicate that they are pristine (unmodified) originals. How do your test photos?

+Anonymous Guest, no please answer for me the question I asked: How DO YOU verify that a picture is real or not?

+Anonymous Guest, "Seeing "farther from higher" has nothing to do with perspective" = Exactly. It has to do with how far away your horizon is, when your standing on a curved surface. On a flat surface, if there are no line-of-sight obstructions, you should ALWAYS be able to see to the edge. But that is not anyone's experience. Perspective has nothing to do with whether we are on a flat or curve, so why bother to bring it up?

As mentioned already above to Anonymous Guest, this is real first hand evidence.. +Anonymous Guest, I have tested about 10 (ISS photos) and about (50 NASA photos) and (40 NASA Moon landing photos) using Photo Forensic high quality digital software, and the resulting analysis algorithms MD5, SHA1 and SHA256 = all indicate that they are pristine (unmodified) originals. How do your test photos?

+Luke Matheson I take everything NASA presents at face value. Then I look at what they present and ask myself "Is this shit for real"? If it doesn't pass my bullshit filter I discard it. Critical thinking skills. Now answer my question: Do you believe EVERTHING that NASA tells you?

+Anonymous Guest, here are some examples that is not a straight line, where curvature exists:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Spheroids.svg/1200px-Spheroids.svg.png
http://www.wikihow.com/images/0/00/Spcl-Design-06a-Skewed-Spheroids.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/98/0b/bc/980bbc1b3a8ae04e05746cfb39b79b99.jpg
http://pad3.whstatic.com/images/thumb/3/34/With-Frame-1-64.jpg/-crop-342-184-184px-With-Frame-1-64.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/52/8d/6c/528d6c1677e6c8de783bf3aec56c45b2.jpg
Any shape that is not a straight line has curvature.

+Anonymous Guest, I guess that your "bullshit meter," which is an emotional reaction, is limited by your lack of reason and education. This applies to you: Several fallacies guide and motivate flat Earth proponents = Personal incredulity - if someone finds a topic or issue difficult to understand, they therefore claim it cannot be true.

+Luke Matheson You didn't verify if you were genuinely breathing. What is 2+two? What film does the character Melvin Udal play in? Yeah, the bullshit meter went off looking at several but the one I like to point out is the bitch with the hair spray! That footage has got to be the best "tell" out of the lot. Do you have some opinion on that particular footage, where you analyzed it to make sure it was authentic? I'm not saying that NASA puts out footage, then afterwards it is altered. I'm saying look at the photos/videos at face value. Scratch your head and ask, "are they really in space"? You never answered my question, third time asking now: Do you believe EVERTYTHING told/shown to you by NASA? Thank you for your arm chair psychological evaluation, but it is irrelevant to the topic.

+Anonymous Guest, Your question, "Do you believe EVERTYTHING told/shown to you by NASA?" My answer = No

+Luke Matheson Great! We have some common ground. I know I have a laundry list of shit I don't believe so how about you share one "fact" they present that you don't? Please keep it in the realm of photos or video footage released by NASA. I find talking about the three body problem, although intellectually stimulating, moot to this topic. What do you think about hair spray chick? Is she really in space?

+Anonymous Guest, so what object criteria do you use to prove that NASA puts out fake stuff? Have you analyzed some of their pics with photo forensic software? List here the URL of a NASA photo that you claim to be fake, and I will test its authenticity. 100 to 1 says you wont give me a URL, because you are full of poprikash. Prove me wrong? * Your statement: Are you serious? You haven't been able to determine that the stuff NASA puts out is fake? You haven't found even one photo or video that you think may be questionable? Nothing?

You made the claim in a previous post that you have personally verified the authenticity of the images. Post your results on youtube so that the greater community may benefit from your efforts.

+Anonymous Guest, OK. I will post some results tomorrow. I have to find them on my computer. But why are you being the fool, and not answering my prior question? Bate and switch, bate and switch, that's all you lairs ever do. So far you have proved you only have an opinion and a big mouth. No data or anything real. If you don't also post your criteria on how you judge NASA photos to be fake by tomorrow, we have the right to call you a liar and fraud.. Question: what object criteria do you use to prove that NASA puts out fake stuff? Have you analyzed some of their pics with photo forensic software? List here the URL of a NASA photo that you claim to be fake, and I will test its authenticity. 100 to 1 says you wont give me a URL, because you are full of poprikash. Prove me wrong?

Anonymous Guest 4 hours agoHighlighted reply
Luke Matheson I suppose its an intuitive way of seeing. Given your manner of speaking I will attempt to give you an example that may clarify things. Would you have to prove that you have an asshole? How would you go about doing it? What audience would you be catering your evidence to? OR do you simply know that you have an asshole? For me many things are self evident that are not to others. I have a pay schedule: Questions will cost you $10 each. Answers will cost you $20 each. Right answers will cost you $100. Post the link to your results and I'll have a look at them gratis.

+Anonymous Guest, because you have not given us a straight answer to back up your NASA assertions, we now call you FRUAD and LIAR.

Luke Matheson Were you able to prove to yourself that you have an asshole? What techniques or methods did you use? Are you able to understand the concept of "Self evident"? Let me give you another one just in case I triggered your ego. The shortest distance between two points is a line. In geometry something that is GIVEN is not something to be proved. That's why its called a given. Waiting on that link where you show your image analyses "proving" they are authentic.

 

Luke Matheson I see your post in my notifications but I don not see it here. I'll check back later in the hopes of being able to read it in its entirety. I'm assuming the link(s) are at the end of it which I can not see.

 

+Anonymous Guest, here is my 2nd post attempt to get a straight answer from you...
I judge whether any photo is real and therefore an original, by evaluating it with photo-forensic techniques.
Your answer is required... "What method do you use to determine if NASA photos are real or not?"
So here are five NASA photos from the Apollo 11 Image Library that I have tested and found to be authentic; pristine originals, not altered in any way.
These three photo forensic algorithm values tell me if the photos are pristine or not:

etc.....

+Anonymous Guest, WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? There are no links in this message. Answer! here is my 2nd post attempt to get a straight answer from you... I judge whether any photo is real and therefore an original, by evaluating it with photo-forensic techniques.
Your answer is required...
"What method do you use to determine if NASA photos are real or not?"
So here are five NASA photos from the Apollo 11 Image Library that I have tested and found to be authentic; pristine originals, not altered in any way.
These three photo forensic algorithm values tell me if the photos are pristine or not:
1) MD5 checksum is a 32-character hexadecimal number that is computed on a file.
2) The SHA-1 (Secure Hash Algorithm) is a cryptographic hash function designed by the United States National Security Agency.
3) SHA256 is another standard checksum value
To find these 5 NASA photos, use Google search and type in "Apollo 11 Image Library" and press enter.
Then look for the images of the following 5 non-composite photographs...
AS11-36-5321
AS11-36-5321
AS11-36-5352
AS11-36-5356
AS11-36-5401
Again, I have personally confirmed that these 5 are real. What about you?

etc....


Luke Matheson12 hours ago

 

+Anonymous Guest, very well. Here is your challenge to confirm my findings. I use photo forensic software to validate if a photo is a pristine untouched original or not. That technical analysis always works.
So here are five NASA photos from the Apollo 11 Image Library that I have tested and found to be authentic; pristine originals not altered in any way. These three photo forensic algorithm values tell me if the photos are pristine or not:
1) MD5 checksum is a 32-character hexadecimal number that is computed on a file. 
2) The SHA-1 (Secure Hash Algorithm) is a cryptographic hash function designed by the United States National Security Agency.
3) SHA256 is another standard checksum value

So now following are 5 photos and their forensics values.

BUT FOR THIS DEMO I HAVE altered two of the 15 hashtag values and made them wrong on purpose.

NOW YOU TELL ME SPECIFICALLY, WHICH ARE THE TWO WRONG ONES. THAT WAY WE CAN ALL SEE IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT OR NOT.

Your test:

a) IF YOU DON"T IDENTIFY WHICH TWO hashtags ARE INCORRECT (name the picture and the hashtag MD5, SHA1 or SHA256 that is wrong), WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE A FRAUD AND LAIR.

b) IF YOU CHOSE TO SKIP THIS CHALLENGE WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE A FRAUD AND LAIR.
c) IF YOU CHANGE THE SUBJECT IN YOUR NEXT RESPONSE WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE A FRAUD AND LAIR

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Picture 1 = AS11-36-5321
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-36-5321HR.jpg
MD5: 6f7addeb3b5bf5e06ba70bdcb13877e9
SHA1: 774984a811503e48129d2aa918c69080619c5ea8
SHA256: ead11a6c65bf5a08ef64ffe014c907157368277ae4523dd9a38e85f450cbb315
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Picture 2 = AS11-36-5321
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-36-5321HR.jpg
MD5: 6f7addeb3b5bf5e06ba70bdcb13877e9
SHA1: 774984a811503e48129d2aa918c31080619c5ea8
SHA256: ead11a6c65bf5a08ef64ffe014c907157368277ae4523dd9a38e85f450cbb315
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Picture 3 = AS11-36-5352
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-36-5352HR.jpg
MD5: fc7b08008970c0aec558ab466e237906
SHA1: d89faa54b5e702bf74746c97a2a58f259b34f6ae
SHA256: 7374ca77b05f4dccc736bd8c2ce20a4bddd099a28b0db4dddde6db52e2c418c9
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Picture 4 = S11-36-5356
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-36-5356HR.jpg
MD5: e0cdad1439e516fd7c77bf1de4973f45
SHA1: 111377a4e4b695511e0f4f57af3a2443a8e9f169
SHA256: 175f880324d0a53538504c94421a4c711066465c1eb34b295938a4d30990b229
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Picture 5 = AS11-36-5401
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-36-5401HR.jpg
MD5: 9e4fc754a67fa8accc6c3cf4cc2acfef
SHA1: 22bf1bd3ae7719c999c2cfb25f79129f6d7e2b29 SHA256: 1dd408d4ee96f49845a0f116eae5f46c5342c66c85bb4fc431a1c555644d7088
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SO GET TO IT AND SHOW US YOU ARE NOT LYING.
Luke Matheson I see your post in my notifications but I don not see it here. I'll check back later in the hopes of being able to read it in its entirety. I'm assuming the link(s) are at the end of it which I can not see.

+Anonymous Guest, here is my 2nd post attempt to get a straight answer from you...
I judge whether any photo is real and therefore an original, by evaluating it with photo-forensic techniques.
Your answer is required...
"What method do you use to determine if NASA photos are real or not?"

So here are five NASA photos from the Apollo 11 Image Library that I have tested and found to be authentic; pristine originals, not altered in any way.

These three photo forensic algorithm values tell me if the photos are pristine or not:
1) MD5 checksum is a 32-character hexadecimal number that is computed on a file.
2) The SHA-1 (Secure Hash Algorithm) is a cryptographic hash function designed by the United States National Security Agency.
3) SHA256 is another standard checksum value

To find these 5 NASA photos, use Google search and type in "Apollo 11 Image Library" and press enter.

Then look for the images of the following 5 non-composite photographs...
AS11-36-5321
AS11-36-5321
AS11-36-5352
AS11-36-5356
AS11-36-5401

Again, I have personally confirmed that these 5 are real. What about you?

Here is your challenge NOW to confirm my findings and to see if you understand this type of real analysis. Photo forensic software always works.

Listed below are my forensic results for the 5 photo, that prove they are real....

... BUT FOR THIS DEMO I HAVE altered two of the 15 hashtag values and made them wrong on purpose.

NOW YOU TELL ME SPECIFICALLY, WHICH ARE THE TWO WRONG ONES. THAT WAY WE CAN ALL SEE IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT OR NOT.

Here is your test:

a) IF YOU DON"T IDENTIFY WHICH TWO hashtags ARE INCORRECT (name the picture and the hashtag MD5, SHA1 or SHA256 that is wrong), WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE A FRAUD AND LAIR.
b) IF YOU CHOSE TO SKIP THIS CHALLENGE WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE A FRAUD AND LAIR.
c) IF YOU CHANGE THE SUBJECT IN YOUR NEXT RESPONSE WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE A FRAUD AND LAIR

- - - Picture 1 = AS11-36-5321
MD5: 6f7addeb3b5bf5e06ba70bdcb13877e9
SHA1: 774984a811503e48129d2aa918c69080619c5ea8
SHA256: ead11a6c65bf5a08ef64ffe014c907157368277ae4523dd9a38e85f450cbb315
- - - Picture 2 = AS11-36-5321
MD5: 6f7addeb3b5bf5e06ba70bdcb13877e9
SHA1: 774984a811503e48129d2aa918c31080619c5ea8
SHA256: ead11a6c65bf5a08ef64ffe014c907157368277ae4523dd9a38e85f450cbb315
- - - Picture 3 = AS11-36-5352
MD5: fc7b08008970c0aec558ab466e237906
SHA1: d89faa54b5e702bf74746c97a2a58f259b34f6ae
SHA256: 7374ca77b05f4dccc736bd8c2ce20a4bddd099a28b0db4dddde6db52e2c418c9
- - - Picture 4 = S11-36-5356
MD5: e0cdad1439e516fd7c77bf1de4973f45
SHA1: 111377a4e4b695511e0f4f57af3a2443a8e9f169
SHA256: 175f880324d0a53538504c94421a4c711066465c1eb34b295938a4d30990b229
- - - Picture 5 = AS11-36-5401
MD5: 9e4fc754a67fa8accc6c3cf4cc2acfef
SHA1: 22bf1bd3ae7719c999c2cfb25f79129f6d7e2b29
SHA256: 1dd408d4ee96f49845a0f116eae5f46c5342c66c85bb4fc431a1c555644d7088

- - - SO GET TO IT AND SHOW US YOU ARE NOT LYING.

Bottom line = you tell me if the 5 NASA photos are real or not, and what criteria you use to make that determination.

Tell me which hashtag values above are wrong, and which ones are correct.






Discussion at - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7ipUKERU0tzYFxALJBli4A/discussion


The Flat Earth Conspiracy - Debunked, by Rationality Rules
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kind regards, JonahTheScientist



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From Frank Herbert, Science Fiction write and author of Dune...

"Ever sift sand through a screen?" she asked. The tangential slash of her question shocked his mind into a higher awareness: Sand through a screen, he nodded. "We Bene Gesserit sift people to find the humans."



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